I have a friend who is in legitimate p@in th3r@py. For anyone that has any experience, can you talk about how to safely try this for my friend? She's had a few surgeries to correct nerve damage and none were successful. Wondering if there is a proper dose to have her try instead of her current situation. Any information is appreciated.
I'm extremely opioid tolerant, probably 20ish years on a lot of percs/oxy/Dil, ect. Ended up going to methadone clinic (terrible idea) and have been now on 120mg/day for 8 yrs. Missed a couple days a while ago and was in agonizing withdrawal. Friend kindly brought me some of his "good" kratom and it didn't touch my withdrawal. So I'm going with definitely not on this one. Could vary for diff ppl/situations, but not a bit of good for me. Only useful things in my experience is benzos, clonidine, weed, gabapentin.. good luck!
It has worked for me before. The problem is 1 the taste and 2 the constant dosing. To get rid of withdrawals you have to take the right dose of kr@tom for your body and situation but it only lasts approximately 3 hours so you have to carry it around with you at all times and also I found when I went to sleep and then woke up 8 to 10 hours later on the weekend I was in full withdrawal and then you have to take a dose of Kr@tom and wait at least half an hour for it to work and after a while you kind of get tired of that. But yes to answer your question it did help take away the withdrawals significantly but it is quite the hassle. Also I never had withdrawals when I stopped Kr@tom but some people claim that there are withdrawals that are just as bad if not more severe than opiates.
Never had to deal with this but from some semi-extensive reading it helps a TON of people. Lots and lots of folks pissed about the D3aa hovering over it.
I work part time in a kratom shop and I have seen the substance do wonders for people...especially in regard to opioid withdrawal. Each strain can have different effects on different people but for the most part a good rule of thumb is to think about it like a stoplight. Red strains are going to be more sedative/ pain relief, greens tend to be more energizing but can still have pain relieving properties, and the yellows are somewhere in between.
There is a huge heroin epidemic where I’m from and I have seen many people switch to kratom successfully. With that being said it can be extremely addictive (I see it first hand everyday). But better to have a kratom addiction than heroin addiction in my opinion.
Also for those using kratom, beware that there has recently been a salmonella outbreak in certain states so be careful. All the best!
Thank you for the replies. I actually recently found out that a friend that I hadn't seen in a long time was going down a bad path with oxycontin and used this substance to overcome his addiction. His life has totally turned around and swears by the stuff. He had a bag in his work truck and showed it to me and told me about his trials and tribulations. I hadn't seen him in a few years and he looked so much healthier than he did from before. Thank you everyone for the information.
If using this wonderful plant for an extended period of time (+3 months) try to alternate strains every week or so to keep a taller-ants at a minimum! It is easy to re dose frequently and it will lose all effectiveness. Also, to reset your taller-ants, there is a strain called "stem and vein" which is always great for knocking it down a few pegs without stopping completely!
(02-24-2018, 05:28 PM)skipper1 Wrote: [ -> ]I have been using it for a while now, and I swear by the stuff...I tried it many years ago and it didn't seem to do much. So after trying it again and reading up on all the various strain's have found one that really help's pain, Mang Da...energy and pain relief..But now since big pharma can't make anything off it they are crying about it. Par for the course unfortunately ...I have actually thought about buying a few live plant's to grow myself..
Maeng da is one of our most popular sellers. Bali and Vietnam are also popular among our customers.
It won't replace Rx opiods completely because it is a partial mu-opiod agonist and is rather weak compared to something like suboxone for maintenance therapy or similar. You will still feel some discomfort making the switch from an Rx to the Kr@tom, but it should make it bearable enough to tolerate a detox from your opiod of choice without wanting to go back to it if you have a generous speck of willpower.
A general word on Kr@tom:
Kr@tom is a great adjunct to healthy eating, a rewarding but not too strenuous exercise regime, daily meditation and a supportive social circle; it can prove to be a powerful tool to overcome personal struggles and make it easier to succeed in creating life improvements. Imo its uses are too broad to merely reserve it for something like an alternative for those who don't want to go on methadone or suboxone but want off street dope. It helps with PTSD symptoms tremendously(flashbacks) as well as with treatment resistant depression and anxiety disorders and its also helped alcoholics boot the booze out of their lives, just to name a few of its uses.
What's so tragic is that the FDA in the states is moving to make it a crime to possess it which will hamper research into its possible utility in a broad range of psychiatric disturbances, including addiction. If it does get made illegal you can bet the opiod epidemic will get much worse when those who rely on it to stay off of their DOC go back into the streets to get their fix as well as the untold damage it will be doing to everyone who suffers from a mental ailment who can't tolerate whatever it is their Dr. decides to throw at them which fails them time and time again(for many patients anti-psychotics, SSRI's/SNRI's and the rest of the available pharmaceutical slew of medications simply isn't addressing their suffering and the meds that do work can't be relied on daily unless a Dr. is willing to increase the prescription doses infinitely to compensate for tolerance development, and even those types of drugs can fail some patients).
For something like PTSD or even treatment resistant depression it has been postulated that Rx opiods and opiates have the power to kill emotional pain just as effectively as physical pain while allowing these people to function without flashbacks or a constant feeling of hopelessness, but the addiction, fatalities, and the untold harms that stem from a dependency to them both on a societal and individual level make it unfeasible to get people reliant on them to alleviate their suffering. The alkaloids in Kr@tom could open up a whole new door for researchers to discover a breakthrough class of medications that have the positive aspects of the Rx opiods without the negatives, the potential really is miraculous. It's not just Mytr@gynine and 7-HO-Mytr@gynine that are present in the leaves that are having an effect, there's a whole family of alkaloids in it that may work to alleviate the negative aspects of the mu-agonists themselves and attenuate the consequences of their use. Rhynchophylline is one example of an interesting alkaloid that is present in the leaves of the tree which functions as an NMDA receptor antagonist and such substances have been getting attention for the role they can play in preventing tolerance development to many drugs including opiods as well as helping to alleviate the withdrawal associated with said drugs.
With the brightest researchers allowed time to study the pharmacodynamics of all the alkaloids present in Kr@tom there's a good possibility they would be able to come up with a drug that would revolutionize medicine and finally get those who suffer mentally without reprieve something that works for them. The FDA ban will stifle funding and the ability to research in this area as well as cause untold casualties, since even in their raw and unrefined form the leaves of the Kr@tom tree do a good enough job of allowing people to find a well deserved peace of mind they probably would have never found if they hadn't been afforded the opportunity to give the stuff a try.
Sorry for the long rant. I suffer from PTSD myself and it pains me to think a regulatory agency has the power and desire to swipe such a beneficial tool from the hands of those who rely on it like the rug was being pulled straight from under them for no reason but greed and lost profits, since the alternatives they offer may not be able to compete. I don't buy the notion they're concerned about public safety, they've been pulling these stunts to demonize other natural medicines like Cannabis which was plagued by a hard fought battle to end its prohibition because enough people finally made their voices count, and even it isn't federally legal yet.