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  Fire breaks out at world's biggest produce market in Paris
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-25-2022, 05:26 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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Fire breaks out at world's biggest
produce market in Paris

By Associated Press
September 25, 2022 at 11:31 a.m. EDT

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A billowing column of dark smoke towered over Paris on Sunday from a warehouse blaze at a
massive produce market that supplies the French capital and surrounding region with much of
its fresh food and bills itself as the largest of its kind in the world.

Firefighters urged people to stay away from the area in Paris’ southern suburbs, as 100 officers
and 30 fire engines battled the blaze at the Rungis International Market.

Capt. Marc Le Moine, a spokesman for the Paris fire service, said no one was injured. The fire was
brought under control and there was no risk of it spreading from the soccer field-sized warehouse,
covering an area of 7,000 square meters (1.7 acres), he said.

The cause of the blaze was unknown but will be investigated, he added.

The sprawling wholesale market is a veritable town unto itself, with more than 12,000 people working
there and warehouses filled with fruit and vegetables, seafood, meats, dairy products and flowers
from across France and around the world.

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  Congress secures first Hunter Biden whistleblowers as memos unmask lucrative gas deal
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-24-2022, 06:16 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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Congress secures first Hunter Biden whistleblowers
as memos unmask lucrative gas deals with China

Internal company memos show Hunter Biden effort to score
American LNG ports, gas deals, and drilling ventures for Beijing.

By John Solomon
Updated: September 23, 2022 - 11:16am

resident Joe Biden boasts proudly today he is leading an "incredible transition" from fossil fuels,
but just three years before he won the presidency his family worked to score billions of dollars in
deals helping executives in communist China gain access to U.S. natural gas, oil and energy
infrastructure, according to internal business memos and interviews with congressional investigators.

Memos obtained by Just the News from the Hudson West III LLC partnership that presidential son
Hunter Biden operated with a prominent Chinese business executive named Gongwen Dong show
the Biden family pursued at least 21 major deals in 2017 and 2018 for Chinese interests seeking
U.S. energy assets, including liquified natural gas export terminals, LNG trade deals, drilling
exploration firms, pipelines and other key energy assets.

Many of the deals targeted assets in the oil-rich Gulf Coast, including Louisiana, and aimed to help
an energy-hungry China gain access to U.S. oil and gas, according to a summary memo of the 21
deals. Just the News found the memo on a Hunter Biden laptop turned over to the FBI in 2019 and
corroborated its authenticity with a Biden business associate directly familiar with the deals and memos.

"Discussed both oil and LNG trading/exporting opportunities," one memo sent to Hunter Biden read.
"Our team was more interested in pursuing the LNG spread trading opportunities, due to the timing
of upcoming winter peak usage season and the spiking natural gas price in China

That LNG deal and others like it never went forward, but Hunter Biden's team chose to pivot in
2018 to other oil and gas deals, ranging from pipelines to drilling assets, the memo shows.

"Explore U.S. natural gas industry midstream investment opportunities
(including natural gas pipeline projects with international and U.S.-based financial institutions)
the memo recommended as one of the 2018 opportunities.

Another goal, the memo stated: "Explore potential investment opportunities in the petrochemical
and energy production space

The Hudson West III opportunities memo stated it was seeking to acquire interests in some drilling and
exploration companies, like Noble Energy's parent firm, that had fallen on hard times when oil and gas
prices plummeted during the Trump administration. "Explore potential investment opportunity in
distressed international energy company affiliates (for example, the Noble Group and affiliates),"
the memo read.

HW Project Summary2018.pdf

The Hunter Biden-connected firm also dabbled with the notion of getting better prices by targeting
minority-owned energy firms that got preferential treatment in some markets.  The "model involves
the support and nurturing of minority business and commodity brokers" and the benefit would be to
"gain further discount and better service terms from its oil major partners," the strategy memo stated. 

According to evidence released by Republican Sens. Charles Grassley and Ron Johnson and
Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), Hudson West III's goal was to find deals to benefit its primary partner
in Beijing, CEFC, the Chinese energy giant led by Chinese businessman Ye Jianming, whom
Hunter Biden met back in 2015.

The size of some of the deals Hudson West III sought were massive, ranging from $800 million
to as large as $2.8 billion, one internal company memo stated.

Comer, the top Republican on the House Oversight Committee and its likely chairman next year if
the GOP wins control of Congress, told Just the News on Thursday night that he has secured
cooperation from at least two of Hunter Biden's former business associates, who have authenticated
that Hunter Biden's strategy was to help China secure U.S. oil and gas interests.

"What we know is that Hunter Biden's company Hudson West III was negotiating a deal with the
Chinese energy company CEFC to not only purchase American natural gas, but also to try to start
purchasing interest in American drillers for natural gas so they can start to take control of the
American natural gas industry through the drillers
," the congressman said in an interview with the
"Just the News, Not Noise" television show.

"We have two whistleblowers," he added. "And I'm confident they're going to come forward in a
Republican majority when I can conduct hearings, and I have the gavel for oversight, to tell us in
detail what their objectives were. And these people were associates of Hunter Biden. And the
ultimate goal — and the Bidens knew this — was for China to start to take ownership in all the
different parts of the natural gas industry in the United States

Earlier this month, Comer wrote the Treasury Department asking for financial records related to
Hunter Biden's dealings with the Chinese, disclosing to Secretary Janet Yellen that his staff obtained
a detailed business plan in Mandarin — including maps of U.S. shale gas deposits — showing the
president's son used Hudson West III to create a "plan to sell American natural gas reserves to China."



Chris Clark, a lawyer for Hunter Biden, did not immediately return a call or an email seeking comment.

But in a 2019 interview with the New Yorker magazine, Hunter Biden acknowledged he pursued several
energy deals for CEFC after meeting Ye for dinner in 2015. He told the magazine Ye gave him a 2.8 carat
diamond as a gift after the first encounter and that one of the first deals Biden pursued was for a
Louisiana LNG terminal, the same one listed in the memos obtained by Just the News.

"I was more proud of it than you can imagine," Hunter Biden told the magazine three years ago.

None of the deals in the memos obtained by Just the News appear to have been consummated,
but Hunter Biden and Hudson West III received $5 million in payments from Chinese entities tied
to Ye and CEFC shortly after it was formed, according to the information previously made public by
Grassley, Johnson and Comer.

Though no deals were struck, Hudson West III incorporation documents show Hunter Biden was to receive
a one-time $500,000 retainer payment and monthly payments of $100,000 from the firm after it was
capitalized while his uncle, presidential brother James Biden, was to get $65,000 a month. Hunter Biden
took the title of "co-chairman," while his Chinese business partner Gongwen Dong took the title "president."

None of the Hudson West III memos reviewed by Just the News mention Joe Biden. But Comer revealed in
the letter to Yellen that one of Hunter Biden's former business associates has told Congress that the president
was directly involved in the China energy deal.

"According to additional information provided by a whistleblower, Joe Biden was involved with this
arrangement as a business partner, and documents reveal he even had office space to work on the deal
Comer wrote Yellen on Tuesday.

Comer provided Treasury a copy of a fall 2017 email from Hunter Biden asking that keys be made for his
new Hudson West III office in Washington D.C. for his father, stepmother, uncle and his Chinese business
partner in the venture.

"Please have keys made available for new office mates: Joe Biden Jill Biden Jim Biden,
Gongwen Dong (Chairman Ye CEFC emissary)
Hunter Biden wrote in the email to a colleague.


A legal billing document from one of Hudson West's law firms shows that both Hunter Biden and
James Biden attended meetings with lawyers and oil and gas executives pursuing the deals mentioned
in the company's strategy memo.

For instance, one entry in the billing records from late 2017 referred to discussions with "petroleum groups"
and noted there was a "telephone call from Hunter Biden on the Hudson West members. Hunter and the
Chairman of a chinese [sic] business are members."

Hudson WestLegalInvoice.pdf

Another entry for billable hours referred to "business advice for fuel brokrage [sic] deal"
between Hudson West III, an energy firm and "Hunter and Jim Biden."

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  US Life Expectancy Falls Again in ‘Historic’ Decline
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-23-2022, 11:33 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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US Life Expectancy Falls Again in ‘Historic’ Decline

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SEPTEMBER 15, 2022

Athletes were the canaries in the coalmine, with several hundred
dropping dead despite 80% having no symptoms or family history
of heart disease. With the release of the latest statistics, the historic
life expectancy drop can no longer be denied.

According to the latest statistics reported by The New York Times1 August 31, 2022, life expectancy in the
United States dropped precipitously in 2020 and 2021.

In 2019, the average life span of Americans of all ethnicities was nearly 79 years. By the end of 2021,
two years into the COVID pandemic and one full year into the mass inoculation campaign, life expectancy
had dropped to 76 — a loss of nearly three years.

Even small declines in life expectancy of a tenth or two-tenths of a year mean that on a population level,
a lot more people are dying prematurely than they really should be. And this was nearly THREE years
or 35 times more.

What Has Caused Drop in Life Expectancy?

According to The New York Times, Native Americans and Alaska Natives have the highest rate of diabetes
out of any ethnic groups — 1 in 7 — and obesity is also common. Both of these conditions have been identified
as comorbidities that make you more susceptible to serious COVID-19 infection, which could help explain
why life expectancy among Native Americans and Alaska Natives dropped by four years in 2020.

They do not necessarily explain the continued drop in life expectancy in 2021, however. According to
Minnesota Chippewa tribe member Dr. Ann Bullock, former director of diabetes treatment and prevention
at the federal Indian Health Service agency, the COVID jab campaign was very successful among
Native Americans and Alaska Natives, which made the continued drop during 2021 “all the more upsetting.”

Bullock told The New York Times,2 “The Native American population did quite well in the vaccination efforts,
and that made us feel that 2021 would not be as devastating as 2020.”

Aside from COVID, causes of death listed as contributors to this loss of life expectancy include accidental deaths,
drug overdoses, heart disease, chronic liver disease and cirrhosis. As you might expect, the idea that the
COVID shots might have something to do with it is completely dismissed,
even though it’s the proverbial elephant in the room.

Lethal Traffic Accidents Are at 20-Year High

The increase in “accidental deaths” seem particularly odd, considering the many lockdowns, but it’s possible
the COVID jabs might have something to do with this as well.
According to the U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), lethal traffic accidents
have steadily risen during 2021 and 2022,3 reaching a 20-year high in the first quarter of 2022.

Some have started referring to these accidents as “vaccindents,” caused when jabbed individuals suddenly
experience a stroke, heart attack or temporary black-out while driving.

It cannot be proven that side effects from the jab are causing these accidents, but it’s still something worth
considering. The jabs are also known to cause mental fog, disorientation and confusion,
which could contribute to any number of accidents, on and off the road.

‘Sudden Death Syndrome’ May Be Driving Down Life Expectancy

Excess mortality, a statistic that is related to but separate from life expectancy, certainly plays a role.
Excess mortality refers to the difference between the observed numbers of deaths (from all causes) during
a given time period, compared to the expected number of deaths based on historical norms, such as the
previous five-year average. (Formula: reported deaths – expected deaths = excess deaths.)

Across the world, excess mortality has dramatically risen since the start of the pandemic, and barely a day
now goes by without a healthy adult suddenly dropping dead with no apparent cause. People have died
during live broadcasts, in the middle of speeches and during dinner.

Clearly, they were feeling well enough to go to work, to an event or a restaurant, and something caused
them to instantaneously die without warning. These are the people making up these excess death statistics.
They shouldn’t be dead, yet something took them out.

While COVID-positive deaths were part of the equation in 2020, excess deaths really took off after the
rollout of the COVID jabs, and in 2021 far exceeded deaths labeled as COVID deaths.4

In the video above, John Campbell, retired nurse teacher, reviews excess death data in Scotland,
where excess mortality is now so high across all age groups that the government has launched a
formal inquiry to determine the cause.5 Data show excess deaths are 11% above the five-year
average, and has remained above average for the past 26 weeks.

Healthy Athletes Dropping Dead at Record Numbers

Campbell also reviews the individual case of Rob Wardell, a 37-year-old champion mountain biker who
died in his sleep mere days after winning the Scottish MTB XC championship.
His partner, Katie Archibald tweeted:

“I still don’t understand what’s happened; if this is real;
why he’d be taken now — so healthy and happy. He went
into cardiac arrest while we were lying in bed. I tried and tried,
and the paramedics arrived within minutes, but his heart
stopped and they couldn’t bring him back.”

Wardell is just one of several hundred athletes who have suddenly dropped dead, worldwide, and the one
common denominator is that they all had one or more COVID jabs.

Between January 2021 and August 2022 (a period of 19 months), at least 1,249 athletes suffered cardiac
arrest or collapse after COVID injection, and at least 847 died,8 with more being recorded as reports come in.
Historically, the annual average of sudden death in athletes has been between 299 and 69,10 so this is
clearly nowhere near normal, regardless of what the “fact checkers” say.

Campbell goes on to review a paper in the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology,11,12 which notes
that 80% of athletes who die suddenly have no symptoms of family history of heart disease.

The authors suggest using genetic testing to identify athletes at risk of sudden cardiac death. Still, with the
dramatic uptick in athletes suddenly dying, it seems beyond unreasonable to attribute such deaths to
undiagnosed preexisting heart disease.

Excess Death Trend in the US

A National Institutes of Health preprint13 published mid-May 2022, reviewed excess all-cause mortality
across 3,127 counties in the U.S. between March 2020 and December 2021.
According to this paper:

“An estimated 936,911 excess deaths occurred during 2020 and 2021,
of which 171,168 (18.3%) were not assigned to COVID-19 on
death certificates as an underlying cause of death …

The proportion of excess deaths assigned to COVID-19 was lower in
2020 (76.3%) than in 2021 (87.0%), suggesting that a larger fraction
of excess deaths was assigned to COVID-19 later in the pandemic.
However, in rural areas and in the Southeast and Southwest a large
share of excess deaths was still not assigned to COVID-19 during 2021 …

Excess death rates were highest in
Mississippi (301 deaths per 100,000 residents) followed by
Arizona (246 deaths per 100,000 residents) in 2020 and in
West Virginia (298 deaths per 100,000 residents) followed by
Mississippi (271 deaths per 100,000 residents) in 2021.”

Again, while a majority of the excess deaths were attributed to COVID (which we know simply means they
had a positive PCR test at the time of death, or within a certain time period of death), 171,168 excess deaths
were not attributable to COVID. So, why did so many people die that “shouldn’t” have?

Working Age Adults Dying in Record Numbers

Life insurance data tell an even more horrifying story. In January 2022, OneAmerica, a mutual life insurance
company based in Indianapolis, reported that the death rate of working-age Americans (18 to 64), in the
third quarter of 2021, was 40% higher than prepandemic levels — and these deaths were not attributed
to COVID. They also had an uptick in long-term disability claims.
According to CEO Scott Davidson:

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen
in the history of this business — not just at OneAmerica. The data
is consistent across every player in that business.
And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into
fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were
pre-pandemic. Just to give you an idea of how bad that is,
a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase
over pre-pandemic. So, 40% is just unheard of.”

Dr. Robert Malone addressed OneAmerica’s finding in a Substack article, stating:

“AT A MINIMUM, based on my reading, one has to conclude that
if this report holds and is confirmed by others in the dry world of
life insurance actuaries, we have both a huge human tragedy and
a profound public policy failure of the U.S. Government and
U.S. HHS system to serve and protect the citizens that pay
for this ‘service.’

IF this holds true, then the genetic vaccines so aggressively
promoted have failed, and the clear federal campaign to prevent
early treatment with lifesaving drugs has contributed to a massive,
avoidable loss of life.

AT WORST, this report implies that the federal workplace
vaccine mandates have driven what appears to be a
true crime against humanity. Massive loss of life in (presumably)
workers that have been forced to accept a toxic vaccine at
higher frequency relative to the general population …”

Excess Death Trends in England and Wales

Excess deaths are also soaring in England and Wales.16 As reported by The Telegraph17 August 18, 2022,
for 14 out of the past 15 weeks, England and Wales have averaged an extra 1,000 non-COVID deaths per
week above the seven-year average, and the percentage of people dying at home is disproportionally higher
than expected (28.1% higher than statistical norm).

"If this trajectory continues,
the number of non-COVID
excess deaths in the U.K.
will outpace COVID deaths
in 2022."

According to The Telegraph, the spike in excess deaths became very noticeable around the end of April 2022,
and if this trajectory continues, the number of non-COVID excess deaths will outpace COVID deaths in 2022.
The top three causes of non-COVID deaths in England and Wales are currently cardiovascular diseases,
diabetes and cancers.

Excess Deaths Should Be BELOW Average in 2022

Campbell also reviews data19 from the British Office for National Statistics that highlight an important point.
People who under normal circumstances would have died in 2022 from old age and natural causes, already
died from COVID, either in 2020 or 2021.

COVID (and state-enforced mistreatment of patients) caused the premature death of many, even if only by
some months or a couple of years. And, since so many elderly had already died who statistically should have
died this year, the excess death rate in 2022 should actually be BELOW average. But it’s not.
It’s way higher so, clearly, something is very wrong.

People who should have decades of life expectancy left are the ones dying. As just one example,
“an unprecedented series of sudden deaths among healthy children and adolescents” is being
reported in Greece,20 and “forensic experts are unable to provide any clear explanation for this.”
Between January 2020 and June 2022, unexplained deaths among children under the age of
19 rose from 70 to 138.

What’s Killing Younger Healthy People?

Since COVID-19 isn’t killing younger, healthy people, what is? What changed in 2021 that might have
such a devastating effect on people’s health? Well, the most obvious change is that 67.7% of the global
population has received at least one dose of the experimental COVID shots,21 and doctors and scientists
have elucidated several mechanisms by which these gene transfer technologies might injure or kill.
As reported by vaccine safety blogger Steve Kirsch:

“Normally death rates don’t change at all.
They are very stable.
It would take something REALLY BIG to
have an effect this big. The effect size is 12-sigma.
That is an event that would only happen by pure
chance every 2.832 billion years.
That’s very rare. It’s basically never.

The universe is only 14 billion years old which is 1.413.
In other words, the event that happened is not
a statistical ‘fluke.’ Something caused a very big change …
Whatever it is that is causing this, it is bigger
and deadlier than COVID and
it’s affecting nearly everyone.”

Kirsch lists 14 clues as to what this deadly “something” might be,
including the following:

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In conclusion, that life expectancy has dropped by three years since the start of the pandemic
can be explained by the simple fact that the primary “remedy” for COVID — the experimental
mRNA COVID jabs — are the most lethal drugs in medical history.

Originally published September 14, 2022 on Mercola.com

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  Latest Scam I've Seen
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-20-2022, 08:44 PM - Forum: IOP General Discussion - Replies (3)

Be careful as to what you click on,
even if it's in your mail...

I just copy/paste this "TN" at the real site and
they knew nothing about it ....

Things that make you go Hmmmmm..

First they sent me this...

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I reckon I didn't respond fast enough...
So they sent this...

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I do not have anything ordered like this and
neither "TN" works on the real site


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  Words ÏÑÇÒ¶ÑÏ┬Ö
Posted by: Skink - 09-19-2022, 06:04 PM - Forum: IOP General Discussion - Replies (4)

Members who view my posts here probably wonder how I use alt characters to disguise words to prevent search engines like ¶øø¶└ë from spidering them...

I ran these alt symbol words in a few search engines and all I get is gibberish back...


are pages I use but just search alt codes there are many pages for this...

The link at the top of the first page I posted -How to use Alt Key Codes?- will explain how to write symbols,,, this might be a pia to some,,, I always thought it was fun...

Alt codes work with Windows I do not know if they work with apple mac linux

Search ¶øø¶└ë for windows alt codes for the browser you use there may be a way for you...

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  New York Medicaid Redesign Team Health Equity Reform Amendment Application
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-19-2022, 02:46 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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1115 Waiver Demonstration
New York Medicaid Redesign Team
Health Equity Reform Amendment Application

On September 2, 2022, the State of New York submitted a section 1115 demonstration
amendment that seeks $13.52 billion over five years to implement changes to address
health equity. The amendment seeks to achieve the integration of social, physical health,
and behavioral health into the fabric of the New York State Medicaid program.

The amendment is structured around a central goal to reduce health disparities,
advance health equity, and support the delivery of social care. The federal comment
period will be open from September 19, 2022 through October 19, 2022.

Pending Application

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  Illinois Governor Issues Emergency Disaster Over Illegal Immigrants Bused From Texas
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-19-2022, 12:43 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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Illinois Governor Issues Emergency Disaster
Over Illegal Immigrants Bused From Texas

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Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker gives a COVID-19 update in the Blue Room
at the Thompson Center in Chicago on Feb. 9, 2022.
(Tyler LaRiviere/Chicago Sun-Times via AP)

By Jack Phillips
September 15, 2022
Updated: September 15, 2022

The governor of Illinois on Wednesday issued an emergency disaster proclamation after several hundred
illegal immigrants were bused from the U.S.–Mexico border to Illinois.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker, a Democrat, issued an executive order to send 75 members of the state National Guard
to assist in making sure “all state resources are available to support asylum seekers arriving nearly daily
to Chicago from the state of Texas.”

The order also “enables the Illinois Emergency Management Agency (IEMA) and other state agencies,
in close coordination with the City of Chicago, Cook County, and other local governments, to ensure the
individuals and families receive the assistance they need,” according to Pritzker’s order. “This includes
transport, emergency shelter and housing, food, health screenings, medical assessments, treatments,
and other necessary care and services.”

For months, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s administration has been sending illegal immigrants who crossed
into Texas from Mexico to several Democrat-run municipalities, including New York City, Illinois, and
Washington, D.C. The three cities have declared themselves “sanctuary cities” that will not cooperate
with Immigration and Customs Enforcement orders.

Pritzker—like the leaders of New York, Chicago, and D.C.—criticized Abbott rather than focusing on the
porous U.S.–Mexico border. In August, federal border officials arrested 185,000 illegal aliens, according
to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

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A Goliad County Sheriff’s Deputy apprehends an illegal immigrant in
Goliad, Texas, on Nov. 23, 2021.
(Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)

And nearly 5 million illegal immigrants crossed into the United States in the first year-and-a-half
of President Joe Biden’s presidency, said the Federation for American Immigration Reform in a report.
Despite the massive influx of people crossing into the country, top White House officials have said
the border is secure.

“Today, I signed a disaster proclamation allowing the state to speed up the procurement of the
immediate resources needed to help Chicago, Cook County, and other jurisdictions provide
humanitarian assistance to the asylum seekers who are being sent to our state with no official
advance notice by the Governor of Texas,” Pritzker said in a statement on Wednesday.

He added that “while other states may be treating these vulnerable families as pawns, here in Illinois,
we are treating them as people.”

But Abbott has argued that the crisis at the border is caused directly by Biden’s and Democrat’s policies,
and he’s called on Pritzker and other Democrats to demand Biden enforce immigration law.

Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser last week declared a public emergency due to illegal immigrants
being bused into the city.

The Illinois governor’s order comes as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, reportedly sent illegal
immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard—a popular Massachusetts tourist spot for the affluent.

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  Woman Escapes COVID-19 Hospital Treatment Protocols, Says Others Not So Lucky
Posted by: IceWizard - 09-18-2022, 05:59 PM - Forum: World News - No Replies

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Gail Seiler back to work after recovery in 2022.
(Courtesy of Gail Seiler)

Woman Escapes COVID-19 Hospital Treatment Protocols,
Says Others Not So Lucky

By Matt McGregor
September 15, 2022
Updated: September 15, 2022

Over a week after Gail Seiler’s physician had given her a terminal diagnosis, her husband, Brad Seiler,
wheeled her out of the back door of the hospital where she had been admitted for COVID-19 on Dec. 3, 2021.

“I’m so sorry, Mrs. Seiler, but you are going to die,” she recalled her physician telling her on Dec. 5.

On Dec. 15, despite resistance from hospital staff, Brad extracted Seiler from Medical City Plano hospital in
Plano, Texas, where the couple lives.

Seiler is one of the few patients who has lived to tell her story about what she said she witnessed on the
inside with COVID-19 hospital treatment protocols.

“It became clear to me that people are not dying in hospitals from COVID. They are dying from these
protocols,” Seiler told The Epoch Times.

Seiler went in for a monoclonal antibody infusion with the request that she be given the early-treatment
protocols prescribed through the Front Line Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), which included the use of ivermectin
and budesonide.

However, when staff discovered she was unvaccinated, “the whole tone changed,” she said.

“I quickly lost the right to advocate for my own medical care,” she said.

‘I Didn’t Come Here to Die’

After a 26-hour wait, she finally got a bed in the intensive care unit (ICU), but no family members were
allowed to visit, she said.

This is where she met Dr. Giang Quach, the physician who told her she was going to die because she was
unvaccinated, she said.

“I told him, ‘I didn’t come here to die,’” she said.

Seiler said Quach pushed her to take remdesivir, a drug known to cause kidney failure. She repeatedly asked
for a different doctor, but her pleas went unanswered and Quach remained in charge of her care, she said.

In 2018, President Donald Trump signed the Right to Try Act into law, which allowed patients with life-threatening
diseases who have exhausted all other options to try certain unapproved treatments.

Because Quach had given Seiler a terminal diagnosis, she was entitled to try FLCCC protocols to treat COVID-19,
but the hospital denied her those treatments, she said.

Quach also denied Seiler her right to see a priest to administer her last rites, she said.

So, Seiler made a deal with Quach, she said.

She said she would submit to a round of remdesivir if Quach let her see her priest for final sacraments.

Quach agreed, and Seiler was allowed to see her priest, she said.

“Then, we denied the remdesivir,” Seiler said. “They were pretty angry about it, but honestly, I felt I was in
a fight for my soul. When the priest left, I had this renewed feeling that I was going to live and not be killed.”

‘Every Day I Would Tell Them I’m Not a DNR’

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Gail Seiler’s last day at the hospital in 2021.
(Courtesy of Gail Seiler)

Every day, Seiler said, she made it known that she did not want Quach in charge of her care and insisted on
seeing a different provider, but Quach always returned.

Seiler’s daughter had access to her online records, where she found that Seiler was classified as
Do Not Resuscitate (DNR), she said.

Seiler said she was not supposed to be listed as DNR.

“The scariest part of it was every day I would tell them I’m not a DNR, but them telling me I’m a DNR,”
Seiler said.

In order to be resuscitated, Seiler said, hospital staff told her she had to go on the ventilator, the final stage
for many who have reported similar hospital stories that ended in death.

Each of the standard treatment protocols for COVID-19, beginning with remdesivir and ending with the
ventilator, are reimbursed with lucrative payoffs from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS),
leading many to believe this is the reason hospitals continue to use these protocols while denying early treatment.

In a Sept. 7 conference titled “Remdesivir Death: Landmark Lawsuit” in Fresno, California, two attorneys
announced lawsuits against three hospitals for what they allege are the hospitals using remdesivir without
informed consent, leading to wrongful death.

The lawsuit addressed what the attorneys called “the remdesivir protocol,” in which the patients may be
admitted to the hospital—often for problems unrelated to COVID-19—and then diagnosed with
COVID-19 or COVID pneumonia.

The patients are then isolated and malnourished before being told remdesivir is their only treatment option,
according to the lawsuit.

The patients are also placed on a BiPap machine, which uses pressure to push oxygen into the lungs at a
high rate, the lawsuit says, with the patients’ hands often tied down so they can’t remove it.

The final stage of the protocol is intubation, at which point the patients die an average of nine days after
being admitted, the lawsuit states.

In the end, the hospital can get up to $500,000 in reimbursement per patient for the protocol,
according to the lawsuit.

‘Things Just Got Worse’

Seiler goes into more detail about her story on the FormerFedsGroup Freedom Foundation’s COVID-19
Humanity Betrayal Memory Project.

She became the Texas chairperson for the foundation, where she gathers stories similar to hers to submit
to the project’s documented cases.

The foundation also offers multiple online support group meetings where others can tell their stories.

The number of people who say they’ve had family members die in hospitals at the hands of what they call
the “death protocols” continues to surface. However, for many of them, their loved ones’ deaths left them
with inconceivable stories of administrative cruelty.

Patients and families are scared into accepting treatment such as remdesivir without being informed about
the risks such as kidney failure.

Families have reported that physicians will tell them that the patient needs oxygen and rest, then the oxygen
is used to such a high degree that later a ventilator is required because the lungs are damaged.

When a patient tries to remove the BiPap mask, they are deemed agitated and given sedatives, leaving them
at the mercy of hospital staff, many reported, while being denied access to basic nutrition, hygiene, and exercise.

For Seiler, the lack of nutrition caused hair loss, and she developed a fungal infection called thrush because
no one removed her BiPap mask to clean her mouth, she said.

Seiler said the doctors and nurses wouldn’t allow her to even sit up, resulting in bed sores, and she eventually
lost her ability to walk.

After two days on a catheter that she said was forced on her because nurses told her they couldn’t take her
to the bathroom, she got another infection from the catheter.

“Things just got worse,” Seiler said. “People were dying around me in other rooms.
Quite frankly, it was quite scary, and I knew that time was short.”

‘I’m Going to Take You Out of There’

On Dec. 14, 2021, Seiler’s husband, a former nurse and U.S. Army veteran, called 911 to have the
Plano Police Department perform a welfare check, she said.

When the police officer arrived, Seiler said she attempted to explain to him what she had experienced.

“I told him they’re going to murder me,” she said. “He said, ‘We don’t have a protocol for this,’ and he left.”

Having exhausted all other options, Brad Seiler and Seiler’s daughter—who had been contacting politicians
for help—came up with a plan to get her out of the hospital and take her home.

Brad Seiler set up oxygen and obtained medications with the help of a home consultation service and
Dr. Richard Bartlett’s protocols, which emphasize the use of budesonide, she said.

On Dec. 15, Brad called and told her, “I’m going to take you out of there.”

Brad arrived with a cease-and-desist letter and two pieces of patients’ rights legislation, written to allow
access to at least one visitor: Texas Senate Bill 572 and Senate Bill 2211.

The state’s House and Senate bills prohibit hospitals from denying visitation, including clergy visitation,
during disasters such as the COVID-19 pandemic.

Seiler said Quach found a loophole in the House bill where it says the doctor can write an order for five
days limiting visitation to one person, and then renew that order.

“And that’s what Dr. Quach had done to keep me isolated,” she said. “Still, Quach broke the premise of
that bill, because I wasn’t allowed any visitors.”

The Senate bill, which was written by state Sen. Bob Hall, permits a spiritual counselor, she said.

This was written to include family members, which is why Brad was brandishing the legislation—to invoke
himself as the spiritual head of the family, Seiler said.

‘I Anticipate There Will be Future Hearings’

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Gail Seiler’s progress in getting off the mask, 2022.
(Courtesy of Gail Seiler)

Hall, who was involved in making calls to the hospital to petition for Seiler’s care, has been outspoken
against “the commandeering of medical practices by the government.”

In June 2022, the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services held a hearing where families
testified about their loved ones’ experiences with the medical system during the pandemic.

In a statement to The Epoch Times, Hall said he anticipates future hearings after the committee heard the
personal testimonies.

“Patients and doctors must be empowered to make decisions on treatment protocols without fear of threats
and intimidation if they differ from government-mandated procedures,” Hall said.

It was the persistence of Seiler’s husband and daughter, Hall said, that made Seiler “one of the few hospital
COVID patients to get out of the hospital in time to survive.”

Echoing Seiler’s earlier statement, Hall said “more people died in hospitals like Medical City Plano because
of hospital policies, than died of COVID.”

In a statement to The Epoch Times, a Medical City Plano spokesperson said that “like other hospitals in our
area, our hospital relies on licensed, independent physicians who use their extensive training and experience
to assess patients’ needs and determine the course of treatment. We support our physicians by giving them
information and resources, including the latest research to help them provide the best possible care to our patients.”

Of the many consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic, the erosion of confidence in the medical profession’s
“best possible care” has been the most damaging, Hall said.

“The circumstances triggered a number of egregious policies and practices never before seen in our modern
hospitals,” Hall said. “Patients were isolated from their families and loved ones, intimidated or coerced into
receiving medical protocols with which they disagreed, and in some cases, outright neglected.
Government-mandated protocols, which did more harm than good, added fuel and distrust to the fire.”

‘I Know for Certain I Will Die at Your Hands’

Brad Seiler had gone beyond the stage of distrust when he entered the hospital and somehow charged his
way into the ICU as security chased him, Gail Seiler said.

When told to leave, Brad told staff, “You’re not going to murder my wife. She’s coming home with me,” Seiler said.

From there, it became almost like an all-day hostage negotiation, Seiler said, with six police officers who were
there not to help them, but to make Brad leave.

Hall got involved, telling Brad not to resist if officers were to arrest him, Seiler said, while one of the doctors
told her that if she were to leave with Brad, she would die.

“I told her that if I died tonight, ‘I’d prefer it be with Brad trying to save me rather than die at your hands
because I know for certain I will die at your hands,’” Seiler said.

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Police were present when Gail Seiler’s husband negotiated with the hospital
so Gail would be allowed to leave Medical City Plano hospital in Plano, Texas, in 2021.
(Courtesy of Gail Seiler)

Seiler needed a wheelchair because her legs didn’t work due to a lack of physical therapy, she said.

When she was packed and ready to leave, Seiler said the floor nurse led them out through what he called
“the shortcut,” which turned out to be the way through the morgue where the funeral homes pick up bodies.

“I think it was to send us a message,” Seiler said.

‘A Medical Matrix’

Despite the physician telling Brad Seiler that his wife wouldn’t make it 24 hours if she left the hospital,
she lives today to tell her story.

It wasn’t easy, Gail Seiler said, and her healing at home had more to do with recovering from her experience
at the hospital than from the virus itself.

However, it was Bartlett’s treatment that saved her life, she said.

“Everything he put in place works,” she said. “I started to improve right away.”

The Seilers later contacted their state representative who contacted Health and Human Services (HHS) to
conduct an investigation, Gail said.

HHS assigned the investigation to the hospital, which concluded that the hospital had “done a stellar job,”
Gail said.

“No one contacted us, and they certainly didn’t look at our medical records because—if anything—even making
someone a DNR when they tell you they aren’t a DNR is against the law, right?” Sieler said.

The Seilers were sure no one would believe their story, but as they continued to tell it on podcast and
radio interviews, more and more people contacted them to share their own experiences.

Seiler managed to escape the hospital and recover, but she said most of the stories she hears from other
people don’t have happy endings, leaving those families wracked with guilt when they realize what took place.

The majority of the cases have ended in the death of the patient, Seiler said, with the family only realizing
they had been gaslit after it was over.

“What we’re seeing is doctors aren’t being honest with the patient, and by the time you realize they’re
harming you, you’ve not only been harmed, you’ve also been gaslit, and you can’t just leave,” Seiler said.
“You’re on a high flow of oxygen and you’re told if you leave, you’ll die. If you get intubated, the only way
out is to be transferred to another hospital.”

Patients have generally had the right to advocate for their own medical treatment, and even deny
recommendations, but with the emergency declarations related to COVID, hospital staff have been
given authority over patients they’ve historically not had, Seiler said.

In some cases, patients have been given remdesivir and other medications not only without informed
consent but also after the patient had put in writing that they didn’t want the drug, Seiler said.

Despite this overreach being exercised in hospitals, Brad and the Seiler’s daughter was able to bring
enough attention to the case through networking with Hall and Lt. Col. Allen West, Seiler said.

West had also been treated there and—in addition to Hall—made several calls to the hospital on the
Seilers’ behalf, which Seiler said she suspects is why staff had to eventually acquiesce to letting
Brad remove her.

The Seilers were also helped by the legal team of Paul M. Davis & Associates in Frisco, Texas, a firm
that’s representing clients who have also gone through the hospital protocols.

There have been cases in which people have just walked out, but they are rare, Seiler said.

“Once you enter the hospital, you’re in this medical matrix, and the only way out is through death or
if someone comes and takes you out,” Seiler said.

Today, Seiler’s mission is to bring awareness by sharing her story and the stories of others, she said.

“My goal is to keep people out of hospitals because this truly is a hospital holocaust.”

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