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RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - Richardg8092 - 01-20-2018
....if BB wants to look at you nothing is secure.
Couldn't agree more, Furyan66.
In the grander scheme of things, nothing is secure.
BB's cameras are everywhere recording everything. Right now.
But before I throw myself into the pit of paranoia, can I take a breath and mention how things are down my end of the pond?
BB pours a lot of energy into stopping things gaining entry in the first place. They take that activity very seriously here.
If we are to believe what we are told, the scanning systems at our airports and post offices are superior to those on-board Star Trek's USS Discovery.
But BB does not bust down the doors, confiscate and prosecute ordinary citizens just because they have a tiny bit of this or a little bit of that sitting in a jar on the kitchen bench.
They might send you a "Stop that right now or else" letter, in which case it would be wise to lower your profile.
In my neck of the woods, flagrant nutters who thrive on drawing attention to themselves will eventually succeed in getting that attention.
But go about your own business quietly and respectfully, blending in with others as necessary, in general you stay off the radar.
Perhaps I'm naive. Perhaps BB is already watching me & waiting.
God forbid, but if it came down to BB vs me - and BB was in to win - then I seriously doubt that the outcome would be determined by a dynamic IP address or an encrypted email.
They are great tactics to keep petty internet criminals out of my business (and who doesn't want that?), but BB is in a different league altogether.
Just my 2c worth.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - Richardg8092 - 01-28-2018
My last "2c worth" was worthless.
Yesterday, as a result of casually exploring the settings area of my cell phone, I was HORRIFIED to find the detail of browser search terms and location data being sent to Appl3 and GOOgle.
I even had apps sending info to their developers whilst the apps were (supposedly) switched off.
This has led me to entirely rethink my post of 20 Jan.
The vast majority of my time on the web is spent harmlessly wandering around sites that I would happily share with anyone.
However, I'm not particularly thrilled to have my ISP and/or GOOgl3 tracking how many times I've visited IOPList's treasured vendor's sites.
Yes - BB can get me any time they like, but yesterday I was alerted to a whole lot of innocent looking app developers who could justifiably be described as 'Little Brothers' .
As of now I am using the TOR browser to visit sites of the sensitive kind. (In fact, this post is coming from Down Under, via France, via Russia, via Germany.
) And my next move will be to look back through this thread for pointers on encrypted email.
My, how my '100% certain that I'm right' attitude has changed......by about 180'
Bowing down to the Elders in homage... again !
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - blandy - 01-28-2018
I Usually just use a VPN but i do that for most sites anyway and especially when using public wifi spots to prevent Man in the middle attacks but to be fair i don't think anyone is gonna come knocking just because you are looking at a pharmacy website.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - thegreaseman - 02-04-2018
A VPN. Tor would probably be a good idea though.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - OldBoy - 02-04-2018
GOOD VPN (StrongVPN or the like), TAILS Linux OS, TOR, PGP for ALL communications, End-To-End encrypted email (Tutanota is free), with the text PGP encrypted. Don't install Firefox on your cell phone and have it synch with your PC. Don't visit IOPs from your cell phone browser (even using StrongVPN and Tob (yes Tob, from the app store, an iOS compatible version of TOR)). All IOP activity should be limited to a single laptop.
The beauty of TAILS is that nothing touches your PC's drive (it runs entirely on a USB stick), and simply rebooting after using it clears your PC's memory cache, while TOR is non-persistent (unless for some reason you install a separate persistence USB stick).
Worst comes to worst you drop the cheap USB stick TAILS is on and stomp it thoroughly, scattering the pieces on different properties,
Of course, that only protects your communication. If a warrant for something else is put out on you and you have a giant stash at home, well, you are probably going to the hoosegow.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - Richardg8092 - 02-04-2018
(02-04-2018, 09:55 PM)OldBoy Wrote: (Using VPN, TOR, encrypted email) ....."Of course, that only protects your communication. If a warrant for something else is put out on you and you have a giant stash at home, well, you are probably going to the hoosegow."
Thanks for your thorough response, OldBoy.
I guess it's the 'communications' that lead to the warrant.
My communications would make very boring reading - a couple of very modest news-agency orders here and there.
A small number of open magazines, plus a small wrapped series for a rainy day couldn't be judged as anything but a personal reading problem.
To have a giant stash on the premises is unnecessary (I would have thought) and would be very difficult to explain away.
Then again, what I think of as 'gigantic', another might think of as 'only reasonable'.
I'm only on TOR these days, and a VPN is my next move. It's the only sensible way to proceed.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - thegreaseman - 02-04-2018
(02-04-2018, 11:44 PM)Richardg8092 Wrote:This is kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. If you're ordering in huge bulk quantities you absolutely need to cover yourself more thoroughly.(02-04-2018, 09:55 PM)OldBoy Wrote: (Using VPN, TOR, encrypted email) ....."Of course, that only protects your communication. If a warrant for something else is put out on you and you have a giant stash at home, well, you are probably going to the hoosegow."
Thanks for your thorough response, OldBoy.
I guess it's the 'communications' that lead to the warrant.
My communications would make very boring reading - a couple of very modest news-agency orders here and there.
A small number of open magazines, plus a small wrapped series for a rainy day couldn't be judged as anything but a personal reading problem.
To have a giant stash on the premises is unnecessary (I would have thought) and would be very difficult to explain away.
Then again, what I think of as 'gigantic', another might think of as 'only reasonable'.
I'm only on TOR these days, and a VPN is my next move. It's the only sensible way to proceed.
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - zebra1922 - 02-05-2018
What an interesting thread and really opened up my paranoia!
It does look like a VPN is the way to go, last used one on a trip to Asia so I could still get Netflix but could be well worth a few bucks a month for some piece of mind.
My current "security' is a computer my other half does not use and an email address she is not aware of. I clearly need to add a few things to that list!
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - OldBoy - 02-05-2018
(02-04-2018, 11:44 PM)Richardg8092 Wrote:(02-04-2018, 09:55 PM)OldBoy Wrote: (Using VPN, TOR, encrypted email) ....."Of course, that only protects your communication. If a warrant for something else is put out on you and you have a giant stash at home, well, you are probably going to the hoosegow."
Thanks for your thorough response, OldBoy.
I guess it's the 'communications' that lead to the warrant.
My communications would make very boring reading - a couple of very modest news-agency orders here and there.
A small number of open magazines, plus a small wrapped series for a rainy day couldn't be judged as anything but a personal reading problem.
To have a giant stash on the premises is unnecessary (I would have thought) and would be very difficult to explain away.
Then again, what I think of as 'gigantic', another might think of as 'only reasonable'.
I'm only on TOR these days, and a VPN is my next move. It's the only sensible way to proceed.
Communications are just evidence - It's receiving /opening the magazine, or seizure of whatever many meds our three-letter agency considers too many that get you hauled in front of a judge. IMHO, the less evidence, the better ;-)
RE: What security measures do you take while browsing IOPs? - schmok - 04-03-2018
Tor and TAILS gets my vote!