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RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - themadhatter420 - 03-08-2016

just go to a shady area of town, be confident, have it all set up to go, it is not their business, they will make money, so just be nice and if they ask, either say it is not your business or have this wonderful story that has to do with current events and such and make them laugh . Go to place where your immigrants < no offense > go to send money home.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Longbaugh - 03-09-2016

The best part about using Paypal or Bitcoin is that I can make a payment without leaving my house. Also the fact I can make a payment in 2 minutes or less.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Popster - 03-09-2016

One last thought regarding these methods.

Many members are more concerned with convenience than anything else......this is a personal choice and convenience is BIG.

Other members are concerned with covering their tracks......and to them I say....

There is no such thing as completely covering your tracks.......but WU and MG (being used in person and not online) are the simplest way to this if you throw your receipts away after receiving.

Paypal and CCs' leave the most accessible trail, as no matter what you do......the records can be easily found by you know who....if so desired.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Bighead - 03-09-2016

(03-08-2016, 11:05 PM)Popster Wrote: to clarify,  it is the IOP that would get into trouble with Paypal.....I am not sure about the consumer......either way Paypal's stance on this issue is clear.

PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Last Update: July 1, 2015

You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, © cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, © are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f) are associated with the sale of traveler's checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses, (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities, or (k) involve offering or receiving payments for the purpose of bribery or corruption.
involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.


Activities Requiring Approval
PayPal requires pre-approval to accept payments for certain services as detailed in the chart below.

Service Requiring Pre-Approval
Contact Information
Airlines and scheduled or non-scheduled charters/jets/air taxi operators; collecting donations as a charity or non-profit organization; dealing in jewels, precious metals and stones; acting as a money transmitter or selling stored value cards; selling stocks, bonds, securities, options, futures (forex) or an investment interest in any entity or property; or providing escrow services.
Please send contact information, business website URL and a brief business summary to compliance@paypal.com
Providing file sharing services or access to newsgroups; or selling alcoholic beverages, non-cigarette tobacco products, e-cigarettes or prescription drugs/devices.
Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com
Activities involving gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, fantasy sports, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not legally defined as gambling) and sweepstakes, if the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.
Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com




(03-08-2016, 10:26 PM)Longbaugh Wrote:
(03-08-2016, 10:04 PM)Popster Wrote: Be careful with Paypal......they are not happy with people using them with IOPs.


As I understand it, IOP's that use PayPal would be in violation of PayPal's terms.......do some research first.

That's why if you buy meds via paypal you have to declare it as a gift, not a business transaction.

(03-08-2016, 11:44 PM)Longbaugh Wrote: Yes, that's what I meant. It's the IOP's account that would get shut down. The buyer doesn't suffer any consequences.

Actually, I know of people that got there personal PP accounts shutdown once PP realized purchases were made at an IOP.  That person is me.  And I know at least five others that did as well as the IOP.  Someone was unhappy with the meds filed a chargeback and reported it was an IOP.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Charon - 03-09-2016

paypalsucks.com

hey, big head.

they used to make one tie up their bank account with the paypal account.

they are known for holding accounts, while they investigate, on a regular basis. for three months.

and, yes, they hold up ur monies if u r caught engaging in meds or sexual shenanigans for money.

they are on rip off report as far as i recall, as well.

just be prepared: keep a separate banking account if u can.

cuz, i don't know about u, but being on a fixed income, if my account is held up, it would be hell for me.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Bighead - 03-09-2016

(03-09-2016, 08:58 PM)Charon Wrote: paypalsucks.com

hey, big head.

they used to make one tie up their bank account with the paypal account.

they are known for holding accounts, while they investigate, on a regular basis.  for three months.

and, yes, they hold up ur monies if u r caught engaging in meds or sexual shenanigans for money.

they are on rip off report as far as i recall, as well.

just be prepared:  keep a separate banking account if u can.  

cuz, i don't know about u, but being on a fixed income, if my account is held up, it would be hell for me.
Luckily, I didn't have my bank account set-up.  I had a pre-paid card.  I tried logging in (this two years ago) and it said my account was suspended for violation of the ToS.  I checked my email and it basically said my account was suspend for violating their terms of services regarding the use of unauthorized pharmacies or something similar.  However, I just recently set-up a new account and have used it for eBay purchases.  I won't link my bank account because of the reasons you outlined.  I have a credit card linked to it now.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Lunar - 03-09-2016

Paypal started sucking shortly after they got big. But they were the only game in town so people tolertated the abuse. But that is not the case anymore.

You can now pay on Ebay without paypal. Amazon has now started a similar service that I've heard is almost free. Google has a payment service and as mentioned Circle has used bitcoin to offer paypal services for free. Competition is good, and when the free market is allowed to operate unabated, increasing demands for goods and services will always bring about entrepreneurs with new, creative, and more efficient ways to meet them.

Now if we could just get the government out of the drug market. : ) I like to dream.

Just imagine how different the discussions on this site would be.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Spanky - 03-09-2016

(01-16-2016, 12:39 AM)Zander Wrote: Well Mrchuckey,

WU has no problem sending to a vendor I buy from who ships out of India, if that counts for anything. Again, I don't understand the paranoia about leaving a trail, see my previous post for the reasons.

You do leave a trail when paying with cash. You fill out a form telling them basically everything about yourself and you have to show ID. The data on the ID you use verifying it as legitimate is recorded. The information on those forms are later entered into a computer data base. They keep records of all transfers in a data base, online or at an agent.

If you prefer to use cash at an agent, fine. I will continue to use my computer and pay with a few clicks without having to run out to get cash and then to a WU agent.


I'm done here.
Good info Zander, I'm with you on this issue.  I've left my SS number and other details all over the net for twenty years, one way or another.  In old days, I would also visit different spots when sending to family and friends in exotic countries all over the world.  If they wanted me, I've always been available.  Online is no different.  My trail is easy to follow, but who would want to expend the time and energy to follow it. 

Spanky


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Longbaugh - 03-09-2016

Well I stand corrected then. Good to know.


RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Popster - 03-10-2016

You always leave a trail no matter what system you use.......but some trails are way more obvious and accessible than others....and c cards and paypal are the easiest trails..........to follow.

In reality, I am not concerned with trails.......small potatoes don't really interest the alphabet boys.