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RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Grandote - 03-10-2016
Lunar, you are absolutely right about paypal. I often call them paypig. Other services are not only easier but often cheaper. Might I mention again bitcoin which costs nothing to send and no ss number, no personal details, no id needed.
Who would bother sifting through all the info? Govt, they love to spy on us, scammers, thieves, and spammers. Anyone with a computer really. Todays small potatoes might be tomorrows example for others or just to fill their quota. LE loves low hanging fruit, and your 60 day supply means you get called a trafficker or something by an over zealous jerk of an LE.
Stay safe, avoid using paypig, mg/wu, do use pgp and bitcoin.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - forme - 03-10-2016
(03-09-2016, 09:51 PM)Lunar Wrote: Paypal started sucking shortly after they got big. But they were the only game in town so people tolertated the abuse. But that is not the case anymore.Paypal locked over 6k of my funds for a month one time due to suspicious activities. I had never used the account for anything other than purchasing/selling  mechanical parts, and other items pertaining to automotive and large equipment repair.
You can now pay on Ebay without paypal. Amazon has now started a similar service that I've heard is almost free. Google has a payment service and as mentioned Circle has used bitcoin to offer paypal services for free. Competition is good, and when the free market is allowed to operate unabated, increasing demands for goods and services will always bring about entrepreneurs with new, creative, and more efficient ways to meet them.
Now if we could just get the government out of the drug market. : ) Â I like to dream.
Just imagine how different the discussions on this site would be.
Within a years time they put three security holds on my account just as common protocol (protecting me). Almost every time I really needed the account to buy something important they would put me through a bunch of security BS.
I got rid of paypal and to this day will not do business with any vendor who will not accept credit cards, or wait for a mailed check.
Since then I have tried the google wallet which works beautifully, WU is fine, but I see bitcoin may be soon be integrated into my tutanota account which should be fantastic!
Government will always be where the money is no matter what happens. In the days of the Pinkertons, the west should have buried every one of them SOB.s that crossed the Mississippi river IMHO!
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - anxiety_sucks - 03-12-2016
papal and their practices sicken me, 2 vendors (email only) that ived =used have had PP troubles and theres a serious amount of horror stories out there regarding locked(stolen) funds
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Popster - 03-12-2016
Quite simply put.....paypal should not be anyone's first choice to use with an IOP......historically, they have proven to be a problem.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - anxiety_sucks - 03-13-2016
(01-22-2016, 05:01 AM)OmarLittle Wrote: One nice thing about paying online via WU is you gain points, and you can use those points to waive the fees they charge to send the money! I never knew what WU Rewards/Points were until I saw I had about 120 of them. I can send a few payments without paying the $20 charge.
just caught this, is that online only?
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Lunar - 03-18-2016
Forme,
Not entirely clued in on the Pinkerton reference but I like where you're going. Rothbard, who is probably my favorite Libertarian thinker, put it this way in his "For a New Liberty," (and I'm paraphrasing so please forgive my butchering if you are also a fan)
Would, ship wrecked on a deserted island and tasked with building a new society from scratch, a group of rational people say, "for the security of everyone else and to settle all disputes that may arise, lets give all the weapons to the Jones family, and in good faith, lets hope by granting them this complete and total monopoly on force they use this power wisely and in the best interest of everyone else stranded here." Of course not! Because it doesn't matter how just the Jones's may be, no rational minded group of individuals is naive enough to grant any one group of people a total monopoly over force....
Oh wait...
That's exactly what's happened in every nation there is a standing government.
"For a New Liberty" by Murray Rothbard
The book and audio book are available for free from the Mises Institute mises.org If you're like me and think freedom and peace are pretty good ideas, check it out.
Anxiety_sucks,
I remember getting reamed using the online MG/WU services long ago, but the WU in person seemed quite reasonable. At the moment I don't even remember what it cost, which is saying something because I'm pretty money conscious. Anyone, correct if I am wrong.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Zander - 03-18-2016
As I said, I use WU online and have never had a problem. I've sent money to the Middle East, and Thailand to name a few. There are no questions asked They have accepted every transaction and never ask any questions. It's the most convenient and most easy way I've found to send money.
You have to set up an online account, which only takes a few minutes and after that it's a breeze. One cool thing is you can pay WU online with a CC or let them do a direct bank withdraw. Also the fee is always $10.00, it doesn't matter if you send $100 or $500.
It works for me and I would use any other method except with vendors who accept CCs. Please, none of the "leaving trails" lectures. You leave a so called trail no matter how you send money. The fact is who cares? Who are you trying to hide from? LE doesn't care about your small personal orders.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Cricket - 03-18-2016
(03-18-2016, 03:29 PM)Zander Wrote: As I said, I use WU online and have never had a problem. I've sent money to the Middle East, and Thailand to name a few. There are no questions asked They have accepted every transaction and never ask any questions. It's the most convenient and most easy way I've found to send money.
You have to set up an online account, which only takes a few minutes and after that it's a breeze. One cool thing is you can pay WU online with a CC or let them do a direct bank withdraw. Also the fee is always $10.00, it doesn't matter if you send $100 or $500.
It works for me and I would use any other method except with vendors who accept CCs. Please, none of the "leaving trails" lectures. You leave a so called trail no matter how you send money. The fact is who cares? Who are you trying to hide from? LE doesn't care about your small personal orders.
I'm with you on this one Zander. I have only used WU online and most times have no problems. I've had a couple of transfers denied, but wait a few days, try again to the same receiver and it goes thru. Go figure.
I believe it has a lot to do with where and who you are sending to. Some areas are under the microscope and will get turned down many times. Sometimes I will ask the vendor for a different receiver and it goes thru ok.
As for MG, to hell with them. Just like Mr. C, they have never approved a transfer for me. I think people are catching on to what transfers to certain people and places are for. If you can't get the funds thru no matter what, contact the vendor and let them know the problem. If they want your business bad enough (and they do) they will find a way to make it happen.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Grandote - 03-18-2016
WU is cheap for overseas but way too expensive for domestic transfers. I don't like the govt having a permanent record of everything I send and where it went. I will stick with bitcoin, if they don't take coin, I won't use them. With bitcoin you can get domestic suppliers since they are hidden on tor. No one knows what you sent or to whom or for what. And it doesn't even cost $10 or take a while.
RE: MoneyGram/Western Union and tor - Linville - 03-25-2016
(03-25-2016, 09:36 AM)Breacher Wrote:(03-18-2016, 03:29 PM)Zander Wrote: As I said, I use WU online and have never had a problem. I've sent money to the Middle East, and Thailand to name a few. There are no questions asked They have accepted every transaction and never ask any questions. It's the most convenient and most easy way I've found to send money.
You have to set up an online account, which only takes a few minutes and after that it's a breeze. One cool thing is you can pay WU online with a CC or let them do a direct bank withdraw. Also the fee is always $10.00, it doesn't matter if you send $100 or $500.
It works for me and I would use any other method except with vendors who accept CCs. Please, none of the "leaving trails" lectures. You leave a so called trail no matter how you send money. The fact is who cares? Who are you trying to hide from? LE doesn't care about your small personal orders.
I totally agree with Zander's post here and until yesterday I'd never had a problem using WU online. Yesterday I went to make a transfer to a middle eastern country and at the final stage of the process it said that my transaction was on hold and that I'll soon receive an email. About 5 minutes later I got an email from WU saying that my transfer had been declined with the only reason given was that it was a "WU business decision". So I called up and spoke to a WU representative and asked for more detail and I was fed the same line that it was a WU business decision. I asked the WU representative if I can try again and she said yes, so I tried twice more then and then once today and was declined every time.
Has anyone else had a problem like this? I'm wondering if WU is blocking transfers to certain countries and whether it has anything to do with what happened in Belgium a few days ago.
Cheers,
Hi Breacher,Â
on your subject I did see on a news deed the last few days that the border states of USA have noticed a large increase of money being sent to middle east countries and after the recent events in Europe I am guessing they have clamped down on transfers to those countries.
So this is a very in the last week thing.
I might post a snippet of one article I found talking about this but not the original one, couldn't find it....for you.
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ISIS Crossing Southern Border From Mexico and Money?
ISIS Crossing Southern Border From Mexico? More Smugglers Sending Money Transfers To Middle East, Arizona Official Claims
Quote:[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.65098)]IBT: Arizona’s attorney general is raising the alarm about a potential connection between illegal immigration and Middle East terrorism. Attorney General Mark Brnovich said Arizona residents are worried about border security.**** More reading: U.S. Confirms ISIL Planning Infiltration of U.S. Southern Border
“We’ve seen a huge spike in money transfers coming from places like Nogales on the border, to Middle Eastern countries,â€Â [/color]
In part from Pew Research, illustrating the World Bank is watching the money and transactions closely.