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RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - IceWizard - 03-05-2017
Methadone!?
Dang that's on heck of a note... I have heard that that is more extremely hard to get free of, ever harder than Big H ...
Wow what docs do these days in the name of "help" is simply crazy!!
Hopefully, things will turn out better for you Froggy... Seems it couldn't get much worse
Ice
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Mustang67 - 03-06-2017
(03-05-2017, 12:15 AM)froggy1717 Wrote: I was told by my doc that if Tramadol was not working i might as well go down to the local Methadone Clinic because that was my best option....
Seriously? That is terrible! Doctors more and more seem to not want to work with pain management at all but that is awful advice.
Hope you can find a doc that will help you properly
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - cmdline - 03-10-2017
think main reason why pk's are hard to find is different laws and culture,now not to offend anyone but here in Europe you need to break quite few bones and get hospitalized to get morphium drip,otherwise one in many cases gets aspirin or neurofen without the active ingridient or small dosage of it,that its hard to get hooked on.Thus from what ive seen US are main consumer,while this opens market but since its not used outside hospitals much etc its quite hard to get,thus people turning to cough syrups that contain dhc.
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Mustang67 - 03-13-2017
(01-02-2017, 09:01 PM)Charon Wrote: i know NY does not want a customer for life, unless they decide the length of time for said life.
when i first got disability, partially for chronic pain, and i contacted disability, I was informed, oh yes dear, they will bring methadone right to my home. Did not want it. Tad bit strong among other things.
They had the one catch. If i did not die within three months, i had to go cold turkey.
Customer for life, eh wot? As long as one does not live longer than the state wants.
Check the TV commercials. All roads lead to humira. an RA medicine that put a woman i knew thru hell. its a deadly drug and they promote it for acne, chrons disease, anything they think they can get away with.
Oh, wait, they are getting away with it.
Oh wow! Humira is one of the medications being suggested by my doctor for early onset arthritis...i haven't researched much but this doesn't sound good
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - channers - 03-17-2017
(03-05-2017, 08:40 AM)IceWizard Wrote: Methadone!?
Dang that's on heck of a note... I have heard that that is more extremely hard to get free of, ever harder than Big H ...
Wow what docs do these days in the name of "help" is simply crazy!!
Hopefully, things will turn out better for you Froggy... Seems it couldn't get much worse
Ice
Methadone and Suboxone are a b*tch to get off of because the half life is sooooo long. I think the best option to get off of pks or if you need some alternative pain management, is to use kratom. Kratom also uses your opiate receptors and have different kinds of kratoms that give you a different high (like different strains of marijuana). It has a lower addiction/abuse rate than others. I really helped me!
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Ladybug - 03-24-2017
(09-09-2016, 03:20 PM)IceWizard Wrote: And they wonder "Big H" is on the rise... I wonder.... "street dealers" are just lovin this crack down... Our good ole "Gub-Mint" is turning honest hard workin folks into back alley clients...I heard about that situation quite often. A rare disease nurse told me that her dr has about 175 people in his rare disease practice, my friend being one of them, but he is only treating about 50. I asked what are the others doings, she said they are going to the "H" because it is cheaper and not as hard to get. Even her dr will not write scrips for PKs ; they have to get by with what he gives them and go to pain management dr if they want more. Tragic. Wonder if the government is going to put 2 and 2 together????
People will do what they have to in order to find even an inkling of relief... They wil never be able to make everything illegal, but they try... However, no matter how hard they try, they will not be able to legislate the human mind...
They's come off better with managing addiction than trying to stop folks from their own selves... Cannot be done... Just because sometime IS legal, doesn't mean everybody is gonna do it... For God's sake, hand gliding, mountain climbing, parachuting... That's legal and can kill ya, but I'm not hurring to jump from a perfectly good plane just because it's not a crime!!...
Sorry... Sometimes I get on a tear with our system...
Ice
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - themadhatter420 - 03-24-2017
Methadone, I would not go that route unless you have to, because the people I no who are on it, Tell me they will never get off of it because it become so psychological then physical w/d , if wanting to stop methadone , I wonder what they put you on? Tapering even down to 1/16 of a strip, youd still want that 1/16th to "feel" better
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - andybones - 03-24-2017
It really is crazy how the normal dose for Suboxone is 16mg a day. No one needs that much. At 8mg it really doesn't do anything more, just a waste of medication. Zubsolv is becoming the new Suboxone, and insurance companies are eating it up now. It's not new, but many Insurance companies dropped Suboxone and are doing Zubsolv, which is very strange. If you are starting out on nothing, and need treatment, Zubsolv would be fine. But switching isn't any fun. Not too mention it is treating addiction. Any addict thinks more of a drug is.. well more. Suboxone comes in 2, 4, and 8mg. Zubsolv comes in 1.4, 5.7, 8.6 and 11.4mg. When switched, when a patient was getting the 16mg, 8mg x2 daily. They are switched to the 5.7mg Zubsolv x2 daily. Many of my friends said they felt withdrawal due to this switch, and Insurance wouldn't cover a 3rd pill.
"Zubsolv has been shown to have different bioavailability compared to Suboxone. One Zubsolv 5.7 mg/1.4 mg tablet provides equivalent buprenorphine exposure and 12% lower naloxone exposure to one Suboxone 8 mg/2 mg film."
A few of my friends actually got booted from their Bupe Dr. because they wanted the Dr. to do a prior auth. with the Insurance to keep them on Suboxone, as the switch to Zubsolv wasn't working. They give you one last script and say see ya, and take someone who will take the Zubsolv, since the Drs. are only allowed to take on 100 patients I believe it is, and the Drs. are very limited. And if you are prescribed benzos, you need to make a choice, benzos or bupe.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with using bupe for "H" withdrawal, however it shouldn't be used much longer than a week or two at most. Certainly not to be kept on for "treatment" and "cravings".
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - nickolyko - 03-24-2017
Meth and Sub. That is the garbage they want to throw pain patients. That is the end of the road. And docs seem not to care anymore about a basic promise of medicine . To alleviate pain . From ancient years one of the most basic duties of a doctor was to take away the pain from his patient. Now if you need PK they call you a dependent personality , worst an addict and if it was possible they may lead you to Psychiatric hospital or to jail . This is the reward for what the medical society hand in hand created all these years. So many companies profit billions and so many rich doctors . They did their best to get rich. Then they discover that they should get rid of their pain patients . Not useful anymore. It is a shame. I know so many people who started pk because their GP or internal medicine doc said take this , words like dont worry it is less addictive , it is new drug not like the old one. And one day they throw the patients to the garbage only because they fear that someone could investigate how many thousand pk they Rx during the good years. They pretend they are innocent but rich. And they move to the other side . NSAID for serious pain or aspirin for cancer patients. And pain patients once more pay the bill.
RE: Why are PK's so difficult to find on IOP's and DNM's? - Denman66 - 03-25-2017
Mdone is Not a good pain management med. I just got off it after almost 20 years on and off (15 straight) for my own "vices" if you will. But the bottom line is it has a very very long half life, (24-48 hours +) but is only effective for pain relief for 6-8 hours max, (and that's moderate pain relief at best). So docs will ex it 3-4 times daily resulting in insane total daily intake.
The problem there is although pain relief has stopped and it's time for a new dose the med is still active in the body and building to higher and higher levels with each dose. I can't even count the number of patients my mother would see each week for mdone toxicity/ od in her time as a nurse.
In my state Mdone is no longer rxd for pain and is reserved for addiction treatment only. Probably one of the only smart things I've seen lawmakers do in a long time. Andybones is right, I agree totally that both should be used for short term treatment of symptoms only, not long term maintenance as I was on. One of the biggest mistakes of my life. But that's another thread lol.
As for finding pks, they're out there, but if you're looking for something more than codeine or dhc you just need to be ready to spend a months pay on a weeks worth of meds