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Are the unvaccinated still a danger to the rest of us?
People holding signs, one of which reads, Stop Mandatory Vaccines
Anti-vaccination demonstrators rally against COVID-19 vaccine mandates in Santa Monica in August 2021. (Ringo Chiu / AFP/Getty Images)
BY MELISSA HEALYSTAFF WRITER
NOV. 3, 2022 5 AM PT
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For almost two years, COVID-19 vaccine holdouts have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements, of social-media shaming and truth campaigns. They’ve missed weddings, birthday celebrations and recitals, and even forfeited high-stakes athletic competitions. Until last month, they were barred from entering the United States and more than 100 other countries.
Now the unvaccinated are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues. They mingle freely in places where they used to be shunned for fear they’d seed superspreader events.
It’s as if they’re no longer hazardous to the rest of us. Or are they?
“Clearly, the unvaccinated are a threat to themselves,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University. As recently as August, their risk of dying of COVID-19 was six times higher than for people who were fully vaccinated and eight times higher than for people who were vaccinated and boosted, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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But, Shaman acknowledged, “the danger to the rest of us is a more debatable issue.”
The Path From Pandemic
This is the third in an occasional series of stories about the transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and how life in the U.S. will be changed in its wake.
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When public officials imposed vaccine mandates, the unvaccinated certainly appeared to pose demonstrable dangers to their communities.
State and local leaders sought not only to suppress spread of the virus, but also to prevent their healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, degrading care for all. The unvaccinated made those goals harder to achieve since they were more likely to become infected and, when they did, to require hospitalization.
U.S. officials had long hoped to vaccinate the American public into a state of “herd immunity,” in which so few people would be vulnerable to the virus that the outbreak would simply sputter out. That objective assumed a uniformly high uptake of vaccine across the nation. It also assumed a vaccine that protected against reinfection, and did so durably.
Eagle Rock, CA - August 30: A nurse gives a Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine shot to Roxanne Juarez, special education assistant at Fletcher Drive Elementary, at Eagle Rock High School, as Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors Chair Hilda Solis, Interim Superintendent Megan K. Reilly, School Board members Kelly Gonez and Jackie Goldberg and special guests visit Los Angeles Unified School-based mobile vaccination clinics at Eagle Rock High School on Monday, Aug. 30, 2021 in Eagle Rock, CA. All employees in the Los Angeles Unified School District must be vaccinated against COVID-19 by Oct. 15, an order that puts it at the forefront of school systems across the country that are mandating strict coronavirus safety measures for employees and students. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
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But none of that came to pass. About 30% of Americans have yet to complete their initial series of COVID-19 shots, including the 20% who haven’t rolled up their sleeves even once. Meanwhile, the virus continues to evolve in ways that erode vaccines’ protection, making “breakthrough infections” increasingly common.
The longer the pandemic drags on, the more complicated things get.
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For one thing, whether those who remain unvaccinated are still driving coronavirus spread hinges partly on the status of the U.S. population’s immunity. Almost three years into the pandemic, that is a hard map to draw — both because the public’s immunity comes from different sources and because it waxes and wanes.
More than 200 million adults and nearly 25 million children ages 5 and up have completed a primary series of COVID-19 vaccine. However, against the Omicron variant, just being “fully vaccinated” confers little more than a whiff of protection against infection and illness.
For the 49% of “fully vaccinated” Americans who’ve had at least one booster dose, infection remains a possibility, but the prospects of becoming seriously ill or dying of COVID-19 are sharply reduced.
MISSION HILLS, CA - DECEMBER 31: A patient has died inside the COVID ICU at Providence Holy Cross Medical Center on Thursday, Dec. 31, 2020 in Mission Hills, CA. Wearing a yellow isolation gown, mask, gloves, and a face sheild Chaplain Anne Dauchy places her right hand gentley on the body covered by a white body bag as she talks with the family of the patient. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
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And then there’s the “natural immunity” gained from a coronavirus infection. By February 2022, after the first wave of Omicron infections swept across the U.S., 58% of Americans were believed to have been infected at some point in the pandemic, leaving them with some modest level of protection. The ranks of the previously infected have surely increased since then thanks to the second Omicron surge during the late spring and summer.
An unknown number of Americans have “hybrid immunity” from both an infection and vaccine. Researchers believe that catching the coronavirus after vaccination (though not so much the other way around) may provide enhanced protection against severe illness and death. But whether that is the case — and how much — can vary based on how long ago an infection took place and the particular variant that caused it.
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In other words, Americans range in vulnerability from the unvaccinated and never infected to the vaccinated, previously infected and fully boosted, with infinite gradations of protection in between.
A masked man, right, in glasses and gloves inserts a needle into the arm of masked woman
A woman receives a dose of COVID-19 vaccine at the First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Los Angeles in January 2022.(Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
In conditions like these, the role the unvaccinated could play in seeding outbreaks will vary.
“It’s kind of a patchwork,” said Harvard University epidemiologist Stephen Kissler. “It’s changing over time, and it’s changing over space. So it’s hard to say where any given community is at any given time.”
The steady waning of immunity raises a discouraging prospect: that over time, people who are still called “fully vaccinated” will become indistinguishable from the unvaccinated unless they’ve received a booster. Until more Americans embrace booster shots, the “undervaccinated” will steadily swell the ranks of the vulnerable.
EL MONTE, CA - NOVEMBER 17: Irene Michel, right, gives Jaime Sores, 70, left, a Covid-19 vaccination booster. Through a jointly-operated Community Resource Center, L.A. Care Health Plan and Blue Shield of California Promise Health Plan host a food pantry, pumpkin pie giveaway and COVID-19 vaccine clinic on Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2021 in El Monte, CA. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
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Wherever they are, they’ll help keep the pandemic going.
The country’s mainstay vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna do not construct a force field around recipients that shields them from ever becoming infected with the coronavirus. Nor do they prevent a person with a breakthrough infection from spreading the virus to others.
However, the vaccines appear to reduce the amount of virus a sick person sheds by coughing, sneezing or simply talking. That means unvaccinated people are not only more likely to be infected, but also somewhat more likely to spread it to others.
It would be hard to assert that if everyone were vaccinated, the coronavirus would just go to ground. This pathogen has proved adept at finding ways around our vaccine protection and is likely to remain a presence among us for generations to come, like influenza and HIV.
But the unvaccinated and undervaccinated are almost certainly playing an outsized role in the coronavirus’ continued success, experts say. Exactly how much is hard to pinpoint. Scientists can quantify transmission differences between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in the lab. Applying those differences to the real world is much trickier, especially in a population as immunologically diverse as Americans now are.
Jacob Hopkins in his hospital room where he was deliberately infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
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Finally, there’s concern that unvaccinated and undervaccinated Americans could accelerate the emergence of new coronavirus variants, some of which are bound to be even more transmissible or more adept at evading existing COVID-19 vaccines and therapies. Either — or both — would cause new waves of transmission and illness.
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While it’s a theoretical possibility, the unvaccinated are not prolific incubators of genetic variants. People with immune system deficiencies are much more likely to develop the long-running bouts of COVID-19 that can spawn new variants with concerning mutations, and most of them are vaccinated.
COVID-19 surges promote the emergence of variants. By virtue of the sheer number of people infected, a surge increases the number of times the virus replicates and offers it more chances to mutate. If it drives hospitalizations, it will ensnare patients being treated for immune-compromising conditions such as HIV, cancer and organ transplants.
Free N95 respirator masks, provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services at a Kroger grocery store.
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And as the unvaccinated are joined by ever-larger numbers of people who are undervaccinated, surges become a more plausible prospect.
People routinely confuse their communities’ state of immunity with their own vulnerability, said Dr. Peter Hotez, co-director of the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children’s Hospital and dean of Baylor College of Medicine’s National School of Tropical Medicine. When fewer of their neighbors are getting sick and dying, and high vaccination rates have suppressed COVID-19, even the unvaccinated feel invulnerable.
“That could be a lethal mistake,” he warned
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Are the unvaccinated still a danger to the rest of us?
People holding signs, one of which reads, Stop Mandatory Vaccines
Anti-vaccination demonstrators rally against COVID-19 vaccine mandates in Santa Monica in August 2021. (Ringo Chiu / AFP/Getty Images)
BY MELISSA HEALYSTAFF WRITER
NOV. 3, 2022 5 AM PT
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For almost two years, COVID-19 vaccine holdouts have been the objects of earnest pleading and financial inducements, of social-media shaming and truth campaigns. They’ve missed weddings, birthday celebrations and recitals, and even forfeited high-stakes athletic competitions. Until last month, they were barred from entering the United States and more than 100 other countries.
Now the unvaccinated are suddenly back in the mix. They’re dining in restaurants, rocking out at music festivals and filling the stands at sporting venues. They mingle freely in places where they used to be shunned for fear they’d seed superspreader events.
It’s as if they’re no longer hazardous to the rest of us. Or are they?
“Clearly, the unvaccinated are a threat to themselves,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University. As recently as August, their risk of dying of COVID-19 was six times higher than for people who were fully vaccinated and eight times higher than for people who were vaccinated and boosted, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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But, Shaman acknowledged, “the danger to the rest of us is a more debatable issue.”
The Path From Pandemic
This is the third in an occasional series of stories about the transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and how life in the U.S. will be changed in its wake.
Read More
When public officials imposed vaccine mandates, the unvaccinated certainly appeared to pose demonstrable dangers to their communities.
State and local leaders sought not only to suppress spread of the virus, but also to prevent their healthcare systems from being overwhelmed, degrading care for all. The unvaccinated made those goals harder to achieve since they were more likely to become infected and, when they did, to require hospitalization.
U.S. officials had long hoped to vaccinate the American public into a state of “herd immunity,” in which so few people would be vulnerable to the virus that the outbreak would simply sputter out. That objective assumed a uniformly high uptake of vaccine across the nation. It also assumed a vaccine that protected against reinfection, and did so durably.
Eagle Rock, CA - August 30: A nurse gives a Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine shot to Roxanne Juarez, special education assistant at Fletcher Drive Elementary, at Eagle Rock High School, as Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors Chair Hilda Solis, Interim Superintendent Megan K. Reilly, School Board members Kelly Gonez and Jackie Goldberg and special guests visit Los Angeles Unified School-based mobile vaccination clinics at Eagle Rock High School on Monday, Aug. 30, 2021 in Eagle Rock, CA. All employees in the Los Angeles Unified School District must be vaccinated against COVID-19 by Oct. 15, an order that puts it at the forefront of school systems across the country that are mandating strict coronavirus safety measures for employees and students. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
SCIENCE & MEDICINE
CDC shifts pandemic goals away from reaching herd immunity
Nov. 12, 2021
But none of that came to pass. About 30% of Americans have yet to complete their initial series of COVID-19 shots, including the 20% who haven’t rolled up their sleeves even once. Meanwhile, the virus continues to evolve in ways that erode vaccines’ protection, making “breakthrough infections” increasingly common.
The longer the pandemic drags on, the more complicated things get.
ADVERTISEMENT
For one thing, whether those who remain unvaccinated are still driving coronavirus spread hinges partly on the status of the U.S. population’s immunity. Almost three years into the pandemic, that is a hard map to draw — both because the public’s immunity comes from different sources and because it waxes and wanes.
More than 200 million adults and nearly 25 million children ages 5 and up have completed a primary series of COVID-19 vaccine. However, against the Omicron variant, just being “fully vaccinated” confers little more than a whiff of protection against infection and illness.
For the 49% of “fully vaccinated” Americans who’ve had at least one booster dose, infection remains a possibility, but the prospects of becoming seriously ill or dying of COVID-19 are sharply reduced.
MISSION HILLS, CA - DECEMBER 31: A patient has died inside the COVID ICU at Providence Holy Cross Medical Center on Thursday, Dec. 31, 2020 in Mission Hills, CA. Wearing a yellow isolation gown, mask, gloves, and a face sheild Chaplain Anne Dauchy places her right hand gentley on the body covered by a white body bag as she talks with the family of the patient. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
SCIENCE & MEDICINE
How many COVID deaths are ‘acceptable’? Answer is key to moving to a post-pandemic world
April 1, 2022
And then there’s the “natural immunity” gained from a coronavirus infection. By February 2022, after the first wave of Omicron infections swept across the U.S., 58% of Americans were believed to have been infected at some point in the pandemic, leaving them with some modest level of protection. The ranks of the previously infected have surely increased since then thanks to the second Omicron surge during the late spring and summer.
An unknown number of Americans have “hybrid immunity” from both an infection and vaccine. Researchers believe that catching the coronavirus after vaccination (though not so much the other way around) may provide enhanced protection against severe illness and death. But whether that is the case — and how much — can vary based on how long ago an infection took place and the particular variant that caused it.
ADVERTISEMENT
In other words, Americans range in vulnerability from the unvaccinated and never infected to the vaccinated, previously infected and fully boosted, with infinite gradations of protection in between.
A masked man, right, in glasses and gloves inserts a needle into the arm of masked woman
A woman receives a dose of COVID-19 vaccine at the First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Los Angeles in January 2022.(Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
In conditions like these, the role the unvaccinated could play in seeding outbreaks will vary.
“It’s kind of a patchwork,” said Harvard University epidemiologist Stephen Kissler. “It’s changing over time, and it’s changing over space. So it’s hard to say where any given community is at any given time.”
The steady waning of immunity raises a discouraging prospect: that over time, people who are still called “fully vaccinated” will become indistinguishable from the unvaccinated unless they’ve received a booster. Until more Americans embrace booster shots, the “undervaccinated” will steadily swell the ranks of the vulnerable.
EL MONTE, CA - NOVEMBER 17: Irene Michel, right, gives Jaime Sores, 70, left, a Covid-19 vaccination booster. Through a jointly-operated Community Resource Center, L.A. Care Health Plan and Blue Shield of California Promise Health Plan host a food pantry, pumpkin pie giveaway and COVID-19 vaccine clinic on Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2021 in El Monte, CA. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
SCIENCE & MEDICINE
Research shows huge benefit of COVID-19 booster shots
Dec. 9, 2021
ADVERTISEMENT
Wherever they are, they’ll help keep the pandemic going.
The country’s mainstay vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna do not construct a force field around recipients that shields them from ever becoming infected with the coronavirus. Nor do they prevent a person with a breakthrough infection from spreading the virus to others.
However, the vaccines appear to reduce the amount of virus a sick person sheds by coughing, sneezing or simply talking. That means unvaccinated people are not only more likely to be infected, but also somewhat more likely to spread it to others.
It would be hard to assert that if everyone were vaccinated, the coronavirus would just go to ground. This pathogen has proved adept at finding ways around our vaccine protection and is likely to remain a presence among us for generations to come, like influenza and HIV.
But the unvaccinated and undervaccinated are almost certainly playing an outsized role in the coronavirus’ continued success, experts say. Exactly how much is hard to pinpoint. Scientists can quantify transmission differences between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in the lab. Applying those differences to the real world is much trickier, especially in a population as immunologically diverse as Americans now are.
Jacob Hopkins in his hospital room where he was deliberately infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
SCIENCE & MEDICINE
What it’s like to catch the coronavirus for the sake of science
June 30, 2022
Finally, there’s concern that unvaccinated and undervaccinated Americans could accelerate the emergence of new coronavirus variants, some of which are bound to be even more transmissible or more adept at evading existing COVID-19 vaccines and therapies. Either — or both — would cause new waves of transmission and illness.
ADVERTISEMENT
While it’s a theoretical possibility, the unvaccinated are not prolific incubators of genetic variants. People with immune system deficiencies are much more likely to develop the long-running bouts of COVID-19 that can spawn new variants with concerning mutations, and most of them are vaccinated.
COVID-19 surges promote the emergence of variants. By virtue of the sheer number of people infected, a surge increases the number of times the virus replicates and offers it more chances to mutate. If it drives hospitalizations, it will ensnare patients being treated for immune-compromising conditions such as HIV, cancer and organ transplants.
Free N95 respirator masks, provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services at a Kroger grocery store.
SCIENCE & MEDICINE
COVID-19 is fading. But ending the health emergency could leave us vulnerable
March 14, 2022
And as the unvaccinated are joined by ever-larger numbers of people who are undervaccinated, surges become a more plausible prospect.
People routinely confuse their communities’ state of immunity with their own vulnerability, said Dr. Peter Hotez, co-director of the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children’s Hospital and dean of Baylor College of Medicine’s National School of Tropical Medicine. When fewer of their neighbors are getting sick and dying, and high vaccination rates have suppressed COVID-19, even the unvaccinated feel invulnerable.
“That could be a lethal mistake,” he warned

