(09-27-2016, 08:50 PM)Spanky Wrote: I enjoyed the debate last night.  Much less helter skelter than the earlier primary circus.  I didn't notice the sniffling, I'm always, like Lester, trying to make out possible answers to the questions being posed. 

I thought Hillary "won" the debate, mainly by controlling herself and the tempo.  She also gave straighter answers on more questions to me, agreement or not.  I laughed because I did notice Donald say "ugh" a couple of times when he was constrained by the protocol to stay quiet and Hillary was jabbing him. 

For the first time as an older guy I'm abdicating my privilege to vote this year.  What if you all did this?  I don't know, won't happen, straw argument. 

Hillary is a career pol inculcated with a political mentality.  That's just how Donald got his quick start out of the blocks.  Career politicians are creatures of compromise and crossed fingers.  Though I believe neither candidate to be the Great Satan. 

I was for Donald for about two weeks at the beginning.  His impromptu caricatures of persons with physical disabilities took him out of contention for me, regardless of what followed.  I would not have a president who would do that. 

But, to the point, I believe Hillary took it last night.

Gran, no fight here, but if you didn't watch the debate you might visit the NPR site and their current politics forum.  I lurk there often.  You will find impassioned people like yourself there, they are fervent, and they are heavyweights and would welcome your input.

Giulani, as a crusading U.S. attorney was instrumental in enforcing portions of the RICO act to indict members of organized crime, and that is his ongoing contribution to the judicial system, thousands being indicted since who would have gone  un-prosecuted.  I agree with Audry, Lester, and Hillary, "frisk and search" was found to be unconstitutional, a dog that can not be allowed to hunt, and the measure of constitutionality is not a purely pragmatic one. 

Anyway, though I've always voted except this year, like C, I don't believe politics can solve our situation.

Spankster

(09-27-2016, 04:56 PM)Charon Wrote: I was a very early feminist.  But, it does not mean I just want any female in office.

We have such little choice here.  Well, the electoral college. But, after watching that, I am more horrified than ever with that loose canon in the white house.

Let us know. (oh, rudy was battling i believe it was prostate cancer after 9 11, i believe, and that is why he never ran.  But again, I just hear snippets of news.  Just as i know the majority of the legal profession is corrupt, I know the majority of politicians are corrupt.  humble opinion and all.)

(09-28-2016, 08:02 PM)Harley Wrote: I think they both lost.  I can not believe out of a nation filled with millions upon millions of people we can't get one decent candidate.  Just sad.

(09-28-2016, 08:13 PM)Tbaronfl Wrote: Don't think decent candidates have a chance anymore. I know it sounds cynical but sadly it's true.

(09-30-2016, 04:26 PM)Grandote Wrote: Your post was hard to read or understand, audrey. I hope you are feeling no pain.

So many people don't like him because he is always scowling and angry looking when they see him. They don't realize this is the major media putting spin on things carefully selecting unflattering photos of him to use and carefully posed photos of hillary. They lie and attack him constantly while covering up her many scandals. Speaking of a bully, hillary is well known to abuse her aides and even the secret service people who are there to protect her. She has a nasty temper, is very much a bully. She and her hubby have a long trail of dead people who dared to blow the whistle. The women billy raped got savaged in turn by hillary who apparently saw nothing wrong in her husbands actions.

Trump is a rational businessman, he has not murdered anyone or raped anyone apparently. He is not taking bribes and knows how to run things. He is not the candidate most of us want but as always, its a choice between bad and worse. A crooked career politician who has already taken bribes worth way over $100 million dollars from giant corporations and foreign governments is by far the worst choice. While sec of state she used her position to direct favors to her donors. This is all documented and you will find much of it in this political forum and the rest can be found by a simple search. But if people don't want to know the truth they will of course not look for it.

The clintons stole everything in sight when the left the whitehouse, they were forced to return certain things like gifts from other countries but negotiated settlements so they could keep as much as possible. They took not only the furniture that was there but also tapestries on the walls, paintings, and even the carpet from the floor. Hill sold her office while secretary and has already reaped tons of bribes before she is even president. Why would anyone want more of the same corruption we have seen from the clintons all along? Obomber sold ambassadorships, he doled them out to those who contributed a few million but he is an amateur at sleaze compared to hill and bill.

More important than the blatant corruption is the fact hill is a major war hawk, pushed the libya invasion, iraq invasion, pushed for sales of cluster bombs to saudi arabia which they promptly used on civilians in yemen in violation of us law. The saudis have already given some $25M to her campaign since she pays them back so handsomely with our tax dollars. Does anyone really like the constant state of war the usa seems to be in with several countries?

If you don't like trumps personality, fine. If you knew hillary's true personality and not the scripted version the media gives you, you would like her even less. We don't get the candidates we want but have to make hard choices with the ones we get. Pick an unindicted criminal or a businessman who will set things right. I think he will win in a landslide, most intelligent voters are sick of business as usual but are reluctant to admit it to a pollster. Hill will have to explain to her bribe givers how she spent all their money and can't give it back, lol.

(09-27-2016, 03:25 PM)Charon Wrote: don't worry.  ur dead relatives and maybe u with a stolen ID may be voting for one side or the other for ya this year, slick.

i mean, how did all the more conservative votes get stolen in an upscale community when i did try to vote?

rigged.  it was atrocious to watch.  yes, hillary is reasonable on cam.  has much experience.  but, many of us recall many a person whom died under mysterious conditions under her husbands reign.  

i cannot trust either of them.

Oh, lets just put that anthony weiner sicko on the ballet.  at least he lets it all hang out so to speak. no secrets with him but for secrets to his wife.

I wish mayor juliani, our hero from 9 11, were available.

sighs.