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MoneyGram/Western Union and tor
(06-09-2016, 02:55 PM)Bishop Wrote: I think the rounded payment amounts is a good idea. I wonder if the vendors would credit it toward our next payment. Has anyone ever done this? It would help you and the vendor to stay a lil bit lower on the radar. Makes sense to me my only thought would be vendors forgetting and you out some cash. Any vendors that already do this?

I haven't done this, I usually just ask them to throw in a couple more of one thing or another to hit that nice round number. But if any vendor would be willing to hold a credit on account as you describe I'd try Macro first. Most people on this board would agree that he's doing so well because he's built his business around honesty.

I would of course ask first, and maybe start with small amounts that you can stomach loosing if your credit on account is forgotten.

Please forgive me if this comment has already been made, I admit I didn't read the rest of the thread before replying, I didn't want to take the risk of forgetting what I was going to say.

Love, Light and Joy
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It's really weird people have such different experiences with in-person. I never had luck online so I always go in person. I think I was asked like one time why I was sending $$ and I just said to a friend who is traveling abroad.

I don't use WU regularly though so maybe that makes a difference, I guess if you showed up regularly and were always sending $$ to people in India, Turkey, etc you would probably raise eyebrows.
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(06-11-2016, 06:44 AM)Breacher Wrote: I'd imagine sending to many different names would raise a flag. I believe that one of WU's rules it that you must know the receiver in person.

I think that really WU knows that a lot of customers who use their service would be people like us and I'm sure they need us and don't want to lose us as customers. Perhaps they have a decline or investigate a certain percentage of daily transfers to keep LE off their back.

Does anyone use RIA money transfer? It's very similar to WU and MG but RIA will only transfer funds for people who have a bank account in the US which unfortunately counts me out. Then again maybe I could open an account in the US if it's possible to do so from outside the US... I have citizenship but I've just never lived there.

I have to agree with you that someone high up at these companies realizes that much of their revenue comes from people using their services to make purchases and maybe that's why one day a "counter troll" (as I so lovingly call those low on the totem who get off on the wee amount of authority they wield due to the fact that bureaucracy, whether corporate or governmental, requires us to occasionally go through them to use their services) will decline a transfer and the next day an automated service sends it right through.

Especially now a days. I mean come on, if I was to actually send money to a friend I would not use MG/WU, I and I think most other 21st century people would just deposit cash into their bank account. Unless they needed "money in minutes" I don't see any reason to use MG/WU for their stated purposes.

Breacher, what is IRA money transfer? For that matter what is CIM?(I think that was mentioned on the previous page) Forgive me if these are total noob questions.

(06-20-2016, 08:12 PM)devlspawn Wrote: Awesome tips Lunar, thank you so much for taking the time to write up/aggregate them all.  Is there any benefit to LLC over Trust that you know of?

Hi Devlspawn, thank you for your question. Forgive me for taking so long to reply.

As for LLC vs. Trust, it really all depends on what you are trying to do. If you are just trying to be a little more anonymous when using WU/MG I'd say get yourself an LLC. They are really easy to set up (just google "how to set up an LLC in my state/country) and when conducting business in the public, having a public entity (i.e. one granted by the state) like an LLC just makes things easier. Counter trolls are used to seeing LLCs, INCs... etc etc, what they are not used to seeing is trusts and you are liable to get harassed every time you want to conduct a little business..

But if you were to ask which is better an LLC or Trust to someone with a last name like Kennedy, Trump, or Rockefeller they'd say an Irrevocable Private Trust is better hands down. Strategic use of trusts is how the uber wealthy stays uber wealthy. When the family of that girl who died in the car wrek with Kennedy sued the family all they got was the wrecked car, because that was they only thing the liable entity, or trust, owned.

But when it comes to conducting business or holding property in the private, among private individuals, trusts are always a good way to go. They provide unparalleled security, privacy, and existing only in your file cabinet, are easier to set up. To put it simply a trust is nothing more than a contract, or an agreement between private individuals at the behest of someone or some entity who is intended to benefit from said agreement. A quick example: If I give you $20 and tell you to give it to your son on his birthday, we just created a trust. I entrusted you with $20 with the terms of our agreement specifying your son as the beneficiary. Once the twenty is delivered the trust is dissolved.

And all men, rich or poor, have the absolute right to contract. In fact, it is specifically enumerated in the US constitution. (On a darker note, it is this very same right to contract that the elite have used to trick us into accepting a lesser position in life than the absolute freedom that is our birthright. But that's a rabbit hole best reserved for another time)

If you'd like to learn more about trusts there is an enormous wealth of freely available information on the web. You definitely DON'T need to hire a lawyer. In fact if you do, unless you find yourself a common law or constitutional lawyer, you'll most likely will end up with a very expensive statutory trust which is very public, and you might as well have just gone with the LLC.
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I'm not sure about trusts and other things discussed, but find WU in person is the best way to go. I'm asked less questions and it's a way faster transaction than their online service. Just go to a store off the beaten path where any business is a positive for the store.
It's really quite simple that way minus the interrogation that comes along with online ne transactions. It's a perfectly normal occurrence to transfer money with WU or MG in diverse communities. Many immigrant workers send their money home where it could be worth over 5 times its value here. Your transactions are actually appreciated and greeted with a smile and friendly banter which makes you feel like you're buying your morning coffee.
That's been my experience and I value it. The "in-person" service is under-appreciated and often overlooked. Just be smart and friendly and you will receive the same service in return. If you don't, walk out of the door and find another location.
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I find WU walkin to be a pain, you need to fill out a form. However MG walkins, you need a ID and name/area or pickups the ref# and your ID. I lean towards MG.

However, online payments for the firat time thru MG, sorry if this was brought up, but they tend to make you callin on new account sends as part of a fraud prevention thing.

Hope this helps
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(09-30-2016, 08:17 PM)Lunar Wrote:
(06-09-2016, 02:55 PM)Bishop Wrote: I think the rounded payment amounts is a good idea. I wonder if the vendors would credit it toward our next payment. Has anyone ever done this? It would help you and the vendor to stay a lil bit lower on the radar. Makes sense to me my only thought would be vendors forgetting and you out some cash. Any vendors that already do this?

I haven't done this, I usually just ask them to throw in a couple more of one thing or another to hit that nice round number. But if any vendor would be willing to hold a credit on account as you describe I'd try Macro first. Most people on this board would agree that he's doing so well because he's built his business around honesty.

I would of course ask first, and maybe start with small amounts that you can stomach loosing if your credit on account is forgotten.

Please forgive me if this comment has already been made, I admit I didn't read the rest of the thread before replying, I didn't want to take the risk of forgetting what I was going to say.

Love, Light and Joy
 I just noticed that there is not a private IOP list. (I guess this shows how often I visit the board Blush how embarrassing. I assume my mention of Macro in the above comment is safe since he is still listed in the public ioplist. Mods, if I crossed a line, forgive me for making your job harder.

(06-11-2016, 06:44 AM)Breacher Wrote: I'd imagine sending to many different names would raise a flag. I believe that one of WU's rules it that you must know the receiver in person.

Thanks Breacher for pointing this out. This potential problem causing common vendor request hadn't occurred to me yet.
Any suggestions on how to avoid this? It seems like every time I order the vendor has a new name they want me to send it to. I guess bitcoins would resolve this.
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After reading through all the posts in this thread I couldn't help but notice that dispersed throughout is an absolute wealth of knowledge. Though, evidenced by a few of the more recently posted complaints regarding WU/MG suckiness, I felt the thread had gotten too long for it's own good. So long, in fact, that much of the advice that could provide remedy for those community members in need has become too cumbersome to find especially for those who need help now.

So with the above in mind I started a new thread called "Tips for WU/MG success" which basically contains a reader's digest version of this thread. I did my best to consolidate, update and edit for clarity the wealth of advice originating from this thread. If I missed something, forgive me, and if you have the time please post it to that thread.

Thread Link
http://ioplist.org/showthread.php?tid=2670
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I signed up for MG account online a few weeks ago and they had a series of questions to verify my identity that really was shocking that they would even know, I actually failed two rounds of questions and had to call and go through another round on the phone, they ask questions involving peoples names with multiple choice answers, i.e. which of these people do you know, and what color was your 92 Dodge, and what month was whoever born! it is really scary what is already out there on public records about you!

BTW, I suck at remembering dates, names and such, not long ago at 11:30pm my wife ask me "do you know what today is?" my answer was "no" her reply was "our anniversary!" oops, try digging your way out of that one guys! it's funny in the telling but she deserves so much better then that, my wife is really awesome!
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Great information. I've never used any of these services, and am getting ready to, so this was a great read. Thanks everyone.
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IMO.....the bottom line is that a MG machine is not the most convenient.....but it is the safest and most unobtrusive if you are sending round numbers.
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence - Desiderata
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