05-19-2016, 09:15 AM
(05-19-2016, 07:25 AM)erol34 Wrote:(05-19-2016, 05:51 AM)Bowser Wrote:
Hey erol34, thanks for asking!
Is there any chance you could be more specific with your problem? Is it more trouble falling asleep or more trouble staying asleep? A combination?
In any scenario, I would NOT recommend any "z" drugs. Just awful and when you do sleep, there's absolutely NO restful sleep. I'll reserve my benzo suggestions until I have a better idea of what part of the sleep cycle is the problem. I will say, though, if you're familiar with "PM" pain relievers, you've probably noticed that the "PM" part of the pill is diphenhydramine.
That's correct for people that didn't know: Tylenol PM, PM cold and flu pills, virtually EVERY OTC "PM med" has only ingredient that makes you tired... BENADRYL. I'm not going to say it doesn't work but if it does work for you it doesn't work for more than 3-4 nights and ¾ of people that use it for sleep end up with a kind of antihistamine hangover. It's fairly unpleasant.
The upside? The alternative. I can only speak for the US but if you have a CVS or Walgreen's nearby (those are the only two places I know for a fact ALL carry it) you can get doxylamine succinate. It's another antihistamine so it's perfectly legal, it works quickly and stays in your system at a relatively steady level for 6 hours meaning it will let you fall and stay asleep... roughly 6-8 hours. Even if you don't have that long (need to be up early but can't sleep or some such scenario) it doesn't have a "druggy" feeling. You just... wake up.
The downside here is that it's not exactly common. You have to check all of the OTC sleep section labels. CVS carries store brand doxylamine tablets that are fairly cheap (something like $10 for 50) but as far as I know the only other option is (I BELIEVE) Unisom Sleep Gels. Those are about the same price for a dozen I think.
Anyway, if you want to specify further, I'll give you some banzo ideas. If not, good luck!
Hi again erol34, I have to apologize for my total ignorance as to how this forum works, I seem to have somehow edited your answer into the previous answer.I have not the slightest idea how to edit this but if you go toward the end there,you'llffind an answer to your question
Thanks. It's extreme insomnia -- both onset and maintenance -- that I've had every day for the last 10 years, after 35 years of totally normal sleep. Most likely due to a nasty concussion that preceded it. Anyway, I've tried just about everything there is to try. Benadryl and NyQuil won't even touch it. Ambien helps a bit (couple hours). Ativan seems to last longer, but doesn't always work. Just curious if you know of something obscure that I might not have tried.
Have you tried temazepam? That's pretty standard in the way of benzos for sleep. A chewed up 10mg Valium under the tongue works fast and lasts. Ativan is the last thing I'd recommend, honestly. The fast onset is nice but the elimination is much too fast. Even Xanax will keep you out longer generally speaking because the dose hits fast but it also hits hard despite its even faster elimination.
I'm going to break one of my own rules and suggest an RC if nothing else helps. Phenazepam. It's mostly legal... well, everywhere. Fast onset. Longer elimination than Valium. The problem is that I don't think even former USSR countries actually prescribe it anymore so your only real option is to order powder form but you'd need to familiarize yourself with dosing down into the high mcg range. 1mg is therapeutic. 2mg is therapeutic and euphoric. 3mg is venturing into possible days-long blackout territory. It's scary if you're not VERY familiar with volumetrics.
I'd say try some temazepam first. If that's not good enough you could consider klonopin/ritrovil but the onset is roughly 2 hours so that's not quite ideal for you. Consider the Valium if you haven't. And finally, before I say to even CONSIDER phenazepam, i'm going to break another rule and say look into phenibut. 125mg before bed with your lorazepam will enhance the effects for sure noticeably and possibly solve the problem without having to worry about dependence any mkre than you would now since phenibut allegedly is not habit forming.
If you need clarification or anything else, feel free to ask and again, good luck!