Best benzo for opiate w/d?

[Ladybug]

Yes, Valium is the way to go, though mainly because it's a good combination of safety and efficacy (hence the reason doctors always recommend it for opiate w/d).

Despite not being a benzo, Soma is a godsend too (carisoprodal, a muscle relaxant-I find Valium/diazepam does little or definitely not enough for me in terms of its muscle relaxant properties/for stopping "micro-twitches"). But yes, Valium is great for the restless legs, anxiety, everything. If you really need help with strong physical pain in your arms or legs, though (where you're repeatedly hitting yourself in those areas, or others), Xanax seems to comfort the pain a little more, however, even gives this little "vibration" in the sore spots

I normally can't *stand* (most) benzos, but they do help loads during opiate withdrawal. I'm actually prescribed Valium but it makes me almost as apathetic as Xanax, so I'm weaning myself off, down to about 1.25mg or less per day.

Ambien (zolpidem) is also great for taking the edge off, not just for helping you sleep but for being able to immerse yourself in watching tv or reading and forgetting about the pain, also helping with the muscle-relaxing aspect (despite what Wikipedia says, though it might only be referring to its "limited" anxiolytic/anti-stress properties, which I also can't agree with, because it's simply a different way to alleviate the stress (hypnagogic/dreamy).

Yes, ambien too is not a benzo, being a benzo-like hypnotic, but it also mosulates GABAa receptors that benzos do (though ambien has strongest affinity to the alpha-1 subunit within the GABAa system while diazepam affects a wider range of α-subunits as well as beta and other parts of the GABAa receptor complex...this somewhat makes Valium better for covering a wider area of symptoms, including being such a good anti-convulsing).

It's sad that phenazepam is almost solely obtained in some crazy powder form in the west, because in Russia/ Eastern Europe, just sold (by prescription (good to have relatives who travel)) in reliable blister tablets (usually 1mg). It really helps with opiate w/d (most are unaware due to its lack of popularity, misuse, and shady forms in the West) because it has an even better half-life than Valium, but more importantly, does not make you so weak during w/d where it starts to ache and hurt being motionless etc. I discourage you to try and obtain it if you can only find it in unsafe non-tablet form.


And, of course, as many probably know, it's worth to mention that you should NOT take any benzos for longer than 2 weeks in such cases so you don't acquire a new addiction (accompanied by a terrible withdrawal). Use them for ideally no longer 7-10 days to ride out the roughest physical bits.


If you still need benzo assistance after the bulk of the physical w/d has passed (though things like chamomile tea, *lots* of fluids, valerian, and very moderate activity/movement (not necessarily exercise, unless it's yoga or something that affords good recovery and is not too taxing on the body) help loads in such a case, both during and after acute w/d's), you may want to use something like Ativan (lorazepam; or if unavailable to you, oxazepam is similar in such a case) during the PAWS (post-acute withdrawal symptoms) to keep you well psychologically and help overall (though low-dose Valium can also/still be of aid).


In closing, I definitely recommend having a few Xanax on hand, mainly for the worst 2-3 days, if you expect to be in a lot of physical/excruciating pain, as it just does more for that, followed by the Valium. Also, although they are cross-tolerant, your body will still have less time to adjust to the respective benzos if you begin with one (Xanax) and end with the other (Valium). Be careful, safe, and strong...you will get through this, good luck!

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Yes, Valium is the way to go, though mainly because it's a good combination of safety and efficacy (hence the reason doctors always recommend it for opiate w/d).

Despite not being a benzo, Soma is a godsend too (carisoprodal, a muscle relaxant-I find Valium/diazepam does little or definitely not enough for me in terms of its muscle relaxant properties/for stopping "micro-twitches"). But yes, Valium is great for the restless legs, anxiety, everything. If you really need help with strong physical pain in your arms or legs, though (where you're repeatedly hitting yourself in those areas, or others), Xanax seems to comfort the pain a little more, however, even gives this little "vibration" in the sore spots

I normally can't *stand* (most) benzos, but they do help loads during opiate withdrawal. I'm actually prescribed Valium but it makes me almost as apathetic as Xanax, so I'm weaning myself off, down to about 1.25mg or less per day.

Ambien (zolpidem) is also great for taking the edge off, not just for helping you sleep but for being able to immerse yourself in watching tv or reading and forgetting about the pain, also helping with the muscle-relaxing aspect (despite what Wikipedia says, though it might only be referring to its "limited" anxiolytic/anti-stress properties, which I also can't agree with, because it's simply a different way to alleviate the stress (hypnagogic/dreamy).

Yes, ambien too is not a benzo, being a benzo-like hypnotic, but it also mosulates GABAa receptors that benzos do (though ambien has strongest affinity to the alpha-1 subunit within the GABAa system while diazepam affects a wider range of α-subunits as well as beta and other parts of the GABAa receptor complex...this somewhat makes Valium better for covering a wider area of symptoms, including being such a good anti-convulsing).

It's sad that phenazepam is almost solely obtained in some crazy powder form in the west, because in Russia/ Eastern Europe, just sold (by prescription (good to have relatives who travel)) in reliable blister tablets (usually 1mg). It really helps with opiate w/d (most are unaware due to its lack of popularity, misuse, and shady forms in the West) because it has an even better half-life than Valium, but more importantly, does not make you so weak during w/d where it starts to ache and hurt being motionless etc. I discourage you to try and obtain it if you can only find it in unsafe non-tablet form.


And, of course, as many probably know, it's worth to mention that you should NOT take any benzos for longer than 2 weeks in such cases so you don't acquire a new addiction (accompanied by a terrible withdrawal). Use them for ideally no longer 7-10 days to ride out the roughest physical bits.


If you still need benzo assistance after the bulk of the physical w/d has passed (though things like chamomile tea, *lots* of fluids, valerian, and very moderate activity/movement (not necessarily exercise, unless it's yoga or something that affords good recovery and is not too taxing on the body) help loads in such a case, both during and after acute w/d's), you may want to use something like Ativan (lorazepam; or if unavailable to you, oxazepam is similar in such a case) during the PAWS (post-acute withdrawal symptoms) to keep you well psychologically and help overall (though low-dose Valium can also/still be of aid).


In closing, I definitely recommend having a few Xanax on hand, mainly for the worst 2-3 days, if you expect to be in a lot of physical/excruciating pain, as it just does more for that, followed by the Valium. Also, although they are cross-tolerant, your body will still have less time to adjust to the respective benzos if you begin with one (Xanax) and end with the other (Valium). Be careful, safe, and strong...you will get through this, good luck!

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Yes, Valium is the way to go, though mainly because it's a good combination of safety and efficacy (hence the reason doctors always recommend it for opiate w/d).

Despite not being a benzo, Soma is a godsend too (carisoprodal, a muscle relaxant-I find Valium/diazepam does little or definitely not enough for me in terms of its muscle relaxant properties/for stopping "micro-twitches"). But yes, Valium is great for the restless legs, anxiety, everything. If you really need help with strong physical pain in your arms or legs, though (where you're repeatedly hitting yourself in those areas, or others), Xanax seems to comfort the pain a little more, however, even gives this little "vibration" in the sore spots

I normally can't *stand* (most) benzos, but they do help loads during opiate withdrawal. I'm actually prescribed Valium but it makes me almost as apathetic as Xanax, so I'm weaning myself off, down to about 1.25mg or less per day.

Ambien (zolpidem) is also great for taking the edge off, not just for helping you sleep but for being able to immerse yourself in watching tv or reading and forgetting about the pain, also helping with the muscle-relaxing aspect (despite what Wikipedia says, though it might only be referring to its "limited" anxiolytic/anti-stress properties, which I also can't agree with, because it's simply a different way to alleviate the stress (hypnagogic/dreamy).

Yes, ambien too is not a benzo, being a benzo-like hypnotic, but it also mosulates GABAa receptors that benzos do (though ambien has strongest affinity to the alpha-1 subunit within the GABAa system while diazepam affects a wider range of α-subunits as well as beta and other parts of the GABAa receptor complex...this somewhat makes Valium better for covering a wider area of symptoms, including being such a good anti-convulsing).

It's sad that phenazepam is almost solely obtained in some crazy powder form in the west, because in Russia/ Eastern Europe, just sold (by prescription (good to have relatives who travel)) in reliable blister tablets (usually 1mg). It really helps with opiate w/d (most are unaware due to its lack of popularity, misuse, and shady forms in the West) because it has an even better half-life than Valium, but more importantly, does not make you so weak during w/d where it starts to ache and hurt being motionless etc. I discourage you to try and obtain it if you can only find it in unsafe non-tablet form.


And, of course, as many probably know, it's worth to mention that you should NOT take any benzos for longer than 2 weeks in such cases so you don't acquire a new addiction (accompanied by a terrible withdrawal). Use them for ideally no longer 7-10 days to ride out the roughest physical bits.


If you still need benzo assistance after the bulk of the physical w/d has passed (though things like chamomile tea, *lots* of fluids, valerian, and very moderate activity/movement (not necessarily exercise, unless it's yoga or something that affords good recovery and is not too taxing on the body) help loads in such a case, both during and after acute w/d's), you may want to use something like Ativan (lorazepam; or if unavailable to you, oxazepam is similar in such a case) during the PAWS (post-acute withdrawal symptoms) to keep you well psychologically and help overall (though low-dose Valium can also/still be of aid).


In closing, I definitely recommend having a few Xanax on hand, mainly for the worst 2-3 days, if you expect to be in a lot of physical/excruciating pain, as it just does more for that, followed by the Valium. Also, although they are cross-tolerant, your body will still have less time to adjust to the respective benzos if you begin with one (Xanax) and end with the other (Valium). Be careful, safe, and strong...you will get through this, good luck!

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Yes, Valium is the way to go, though mainly because it's a good combination of safety and efficacy (hence the reason doctors always recommend it for opiate w/d).

Despite not being a benzo, Soma is a godsend too (carisoprodal, a muscle relaxant-I find Valium/diazepam does little or definitely not enough for me in terms of its muscle relaxant properties/for stopping "micro-twitches"). But yes, Valium is great for the restless legs, anxiety, everything. If you really need help with strong physical pain in your arms or legs, though (where you're repeatedly hitting yourself in those areas, or others), Xanax seems to comfort the pain a little more, however, even gives this little "vibration" in the sore spots

I normally can't *stand* (most) benzos, but they do help loads during opiate withdrawal. I'm actually prescribed Valium but it makes me almost as apathetic as Xanax, so I'm weaning myself off, down to about 1.25mg or less per day.

Ambien (zolpidem) is also great for taking the edge off, not just for helping you sleep but for being able to immerse yourself in watching tv or reading and forgetting about the pain, also helping with the muscle-relaxing aspect (despite what Wikipedia says, though it might only be referring to its "limited" anxiolytic/anti-stress properties, which I also can't agree with, because it's simply a different way to alleviate the stress (hypnagogic/dreamy).

Yes, ambien too is not a benzo, being a benzo-like hypnotic, but it also mosulates GABAa receptors that benzos do (though ambien has strongest affinity to the alpha-1 subunit within the GABAa system while diazepam affects a wider range of α-subunits as well as beta and other parts of the GABAa receptor complex...this somewhat makes Valium better for covering a wider area of symptoms, including being such a good anti-convulsing).

It's sad that phenazepam is almost solely obtained in some crazy powder form in the west, because in Russia/ Eastern Europe, just sold (by prescription (good to have relatives who travel)) in reliable blister tablets (usually 1mg). It really helps with opiate w/d (most are unaware due to its lack of popularity, misuse, and shady forms in the West) because it has an even better half-life than Valium, but more importantly, does not make you so weak during w/d where it starts to ache and hurt being motionless etc. I discourage you to try and obtain it if you can only find it in unsafe non-tablet form.


And, of course, as many probably know, it's worth to mention that you should NOT take any benzos for longer than 2 weeks in such cases so you don't acquire a new addiction (accompanied by a terrible withdrawal). Use them for ideally no longer 7-10 days to ride out the roughest physical bits.


If you still need benzo assistance after the bulk of the physical w/d has passed (though things like chamomile tea, *lots* of fluids, valerian, and very moderate activity/movement (not necessarily exercise, unless it's yoga or something that affords good recovery and is not too taxing on the body) help loads in such a case, both during and after acute w/d's), you may want to use something like Ativan (lorazepam; or if unavailable to you, oxazepam is similar in such a case) during the PAWS (post-acute withdrawal symptoms) to keep you well psychologically and help overall (though low-dose Valium can also/still be of aid).


In closing, I definitely recommend having a few Xanax on hand, mainly for the worst 2-3 days, if you expect to be in a lot of physical/excruciating pain, as it just does more for that, followed by the Valium. Also, although they are cross-tolerant, your body will still have less time to adjust to the respective benzos if you begin with one (Xanax) and end with the other (Valium). Be careful, safe, and strong...you will get through this, good luck!

How long does all this  take - lets suppose you didn't go wild on the increase ( script  for  7 1/2/ a day every 6 hrs during a recent hard fall ) but it got up to 40 mg a day (double) instead of 20-1/2 .  Can somebody suggest how to get this back down in 2 wks before I see PM.  I started yesterday 40 2 days ago, yesterday 35 but sleep terrible I think it is restless leg - so I took another gabapentin (my dog's he has only 100) I take 300 at night.  I am supplementing with 3 ativan a day 10 am, 2-3 pm and then 7 am (I am prescribed this 3 times a day) In the evening around 7 I get antsey very uncomfortable can't explain.  Can someone please that anyone who has done this please tell me how to do it.  I must do this myself.  In fact, can you tell me if I have been too bad.  Is this alot or not alot.  I hope I have not disappointed anyone I am really embrassed to share this with you all.  But I know I can get help here to do it the right way.