How to fight the come down from stimulants

[Bighead]

Thank you for your post my friend . But im just wondering, doesnt a use of Ritalin combined with benzos create another vicious cycle of dependency ?

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Sorry Breacher i didnt know if i broke the rule by posting that , however to me its not a recreational use tho...i kind of depend on those things and its really a problem to me the after effect, thats why i asked the advice and actually got some good ones on here .

Yes, using stims and benzos daily is dangerous.  You didn't necessarily break the rules, but some of the advice is on the fringe of recreational drug use talk.  I thought to say benzo use as a come down, but you don't want to do that as its a taxing combo on your body, specifically your heart.  You may be getting your script from an MD, so we don't know.

A ok i got you now about the recreational drug use talk and yes i agree with you, this combo doesnt sound like a healthy one in a long run....

Bio2016 like I said for all we know you are scripted your meds.  It's just this board is for people whom have legimate medical needs and recreational use brings unwanted scrunity and is against the rules.  I'm not a mod, admin or anything but you didn't break any rules, but some of the advice was delving into recreational talk.  

But like other's suggested try to find activities that will burn that extra energy away.  You are aware of the paranoia, which many people are not.  When they get paranoid there delusions are real to them, so at least you know that any delusions/paranoid thoughts you have are irrational thoughts being produced by your mind.  Look into deep breathing techniques and meditation and guided imagery meditation.  I use all three when my neurologia pain is not being contained by my dosage of medication.

Huh...about the breathing and meditation that sounds like a pretty awessome idea i never heard about about using it to come down ...i already started looking into that ,very good advice i wish i would ve given you some reputation points ,but i dont think i can ...But thank you my friend .

No problem friend.  I'm not too concerned with rep points because those that know me well know my reputation; I'm a mean spirited, jerk.  Joking.  But, I'd rather help someone out and not get rep points then get rep points and be of no help.  I'm just glad I could be of potential help.  That's what we are here for.  YouTube has some great guided imagery breathing techniques that help me when my meds can't control the pain.

[Charon]

I must agree with fireplaces. Not only is it difficult to edit, but i had real trouble, in macro thread, trying to figure out whom said what to whom cuz of four of five quotes in the one post.

ARGH!! Some of us cannot handle it.

[bio2016]

We will not be quoting Charon ,to make it more clear for the admins and for everybody to see .

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And thank you everybody ,i got something new and usefull for myself .

[Bowser]

I know with an education in naturopathic healing i'm supposed to agree with meditation and breathing techniques and suggest other methods but frankly I don't think they'll help with what sounds like dependence.

My pharmacology background tells me pharma. I'd say try a tricyclic antidepressant like trazodone or nortriptyline every other night before bed or maybe even a long acting, low dose antipsychotic like (again, LOW DOSE) olanzapine or quetiapine. Any of the above will help with calming, sleep (i'm assuming that's a problem) and the mild depression you mentioned.

As always, just suggestions, not a sub for a dr and also aways be sure of no allergies to tricyclics before trying. The reactions are rare but severe when they do occur.

[bio2016]

You see my friend , i by all means dont want take another pill(only if its multivitamin or something like that),because i dont want have another dependency cycle .But i just started looking into Meditation and breathing technique ,i have been practicing with youtube) and thats
a great thing ...i really like it ,that was an awessome advice ,actually makes me feel better through out the day .

[Bowser]

Ah well good you you then! If, however you do end up with rebound symptoms, none of the things I listed are habit forming. Totally understand the apprehension though, I have a slew of troubles due to an autoimmune disease and every time I'm told to add another pill to my day to day life I cringe a bit.

[bio2016]

You see thats we are on the same page with you my friend ...

[bio2016]

Thank you Harley, i would just  stick with Yoga anyways )

[Bowser]

Ah well good you you then! If, however you do end up with rebound symptoms, none of the things I listed are habit forming. Totally understand the apprehension though, I have a slew of troubles due to an autoimmune disease and every time I'm told to add another pill to my day to day life I cringe a bit.

Bowser, Trazadone is 100% habit forming and one has to withdraw off of it.  The same goes with nortriptyline.

It should not be taken unless scripted by a Dr.  Nor should suggestions for use of anti-depressants to counteract stimulants.

I think youou should check your Pharmacology Manuals.

I don't think I need to bother. Habit forming was the wrong wording I suppose since it is non addictive with the exception of mental dependence, however if bio had asked to know more i would have gladly explained that. I also hardly think that a 3x weekly 12.5-25mg dose of trazodone would require tapering. I battled paxil for 15 years and still have trouble with it so I wouldn't recommend that kind of hell to someone if I thought there was any form of risk involved. Trazodone, on the other hand, I take regularly for long periods and just stop for long periods with no adverse reactions.

The field in which I work is rooted in what's best described as the repurposing of old or approaching-obsolete medications. Tricyclics (low dose) utilized as a partial treatment of stimulant addiction and withdrawal was a subject of study very recently and we had a notable amount of success with it. I don't wish to plaster my identity all over this forum (or anywhere else online for that matter) but if you search the topic you'll find the study in .PDF form from early this year.

But you are correct, as I said above and in my benzo thread, I am not a doctor and my advice generally ends with some form of "talk with your doctor about it" because I'm here to try to help a bit and make up for some of the things I've done in my life; anyone wholly following my advice and having adverse reactions is not something I need on my conscience

[Bowser]

Repurposing old medications.  I like that.  For the most part I always lean towards the older medications as I feel they are safer, side effect being more known, etc...

That's how a lot of people feel, myself included. That's largely the idea behind this field of work. I have a huge interest in GABA related treatments and have been pushing for a few different studies to be considered regarding baclofen and related drugs.

We ran a study last year involving clonodine and baclofen for opiate withdrawal (there's a bit more detail involved but I believe there were several done worldwide last year so I'm not going to go into specifics about the specific areas we were focused on for some order of anonymity).

The results were extremely encouraging so I think I may begin pushing for more studies along those lines. I REEEEAAALLY want to convince them to run a phenibut study. I'd like to see the results in a clinical setting as opposed to only having anecdotal evidence to provide.