05-10-2019, 02:00 PM
I always try to sleep without anything. If you use sleep medication all the time it will become ineffective. Most of the time, inability to sleep is a result of anxiety and tranquilizers will help if that is the cause.
05-10-2019, 02:00 PM
05-10-2019, 07:20 PM
This is my combo :
5- Htp 200mg
Melatonin slow release 3mg
Aswhaganda 2 grams
Most of the nights works, if not, I add trazodone 100mg.
5- Htp 200mg
Melatonin slow release 3mg
Aswhaganda 2 grams
Most of the nights works, if not, I add trazodone 100mg.
05-19-2019, 09:49 PM
Others have given better and more comprehensive replies, but since this is a recurrent issue for me, i thought i might suggest what works for me here, limited to my own experience.
Vistaril (atarax, hydroxyzine) is helpful for me; so is melatonin, so it valerian root. Alteril combines melatonin and valerian -and- l-trytophan that certainly works well. I have also had good results with 100mg Trazodone. All of these have worked well for me at different times but they all seem leave me foggyheaded the following day. (The only ones that haven't given me that morning fog have been z-drugs, which for whatever reason tend to make me anxious enough that they're counterproductive!). Everybody's different but I get the most out rotating these medications, and taking breaks. It tends to happen that after five-ish days on any one of them, it's easier to sleep. Taking breaks whenever possible helps my tolerance to them, and exercise is helpful to them all. And of course a combination of things is useful, too.
i haven't used bezos for sleep but i'd be interested to see how well halcion worked out.
lots of luck to you in this! i hope you'll find help sooner rather than later.
Vistaril (atarax, hydroxyzine) is helpful for me; so is melatonin, so it valerian root. Alteril combines melatonin and valerian -and- l-trytophan that certainly works well. I have also had good results with 100mg Trazodone. All of these have worked well for me at different times but they all seem leave me foggyheaded the following day. (The only ones that haven't given me that morning fog have been z-drugs, which for whatever reason tend to make me anxious enough that they're counterproductive!). Everybody's different but I get the most out rotating these medications, and taking breaks. It tends to happen that after five-ish days on any one of them, it's easier to sleep. Taking breaks whenever possible helps my tolerance to them, and exercise is helpful to them all. And of course a combination of things is useful, too.
i haven't used bezos for sleep but i'd be interested to see how well halcion worked out.
lots of luck to you in this! i hope you'll find help sooner rather than later.
05-29-2019, 07:45 AM
My doctor has me on kpins and zoplicone. I have found the zopiclone to really help falling asleep.
05-29-2019, 01:10 PM
(05-19-2019, 09:49 PM)Parapluie Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Parapluie. Thanks for your post, it is very helpful. Would you please let me know about doses of valerian? There seems to be a wide range (and cost). Many thanks.
Others have given better and more comprehensive replies, but since this is a recurrent issue for me, i thought i might suggest what works for me here, limited to my own experience.
Vistaril (atarax, hydroxyzine) is helpful for me; so is melatonin, so it valerian root. Alteril combines melatonin and valerian -and- l-trytophan that certainly works well. I have also had good results with 100mg Trazodone. All of these have worked well for me at different times but they all seem leave me foggyheaded the following day. (The only ones that haven't given me that morning fog have been z-drugs, which for whatever reason tend to make me anxious enough that they're counterproductive!). Everybody's different but I get the most out rotating these medications, and taking breaks. It tends to happen that after five-ish days on any one of them, it's easier to sleep. Taking breaks whenever possible helps my tolerance to them, and exercise is helpful to them all. And of course a combination of things is useful, too.
i haven't used bezos for sleep but i'd be interested to see how well halcion worked out.
lots of luck to you in this! i hope you'll find help sooner rather than later.
05-29-2019, 11:40 PM
Melatonin gummies
05-30-2019, 08:36 PM
I try 1/2 Z, use white noise and an oil diffuser. I agree with previous posts half to try no Z a few days a week.
05-30-2019, 10:43 PM
(01-24-2018, 07:48 PM)TeknoFunk Wrote: [ -> ]Valarian Root in liquid form actually works well for me. Over the counter doxylamine succinate works well and tolerated better than typical antihistamines. All depends on your body chemistry and sleep habits. Honestly, the things you do before you go to bed greatly dictate how you will sleep. Phones away from bed, no computer for 30 min before all that I'm sure you have heard, but very effective. Calm room, no clutter, low light. Fan or sound machine and then of course meds at the end. If Zolpidem works for you, then the closest to that if you do not have that would be doxylamine succinate for over the counter. Benzo's seem to be too much for long term use.
I grew up in Africa where my parents were doctors and there was a war going on part of the time so I have a terrible time sleeping. I read that doxylamine succinate was as good in many studies as Seconal and was shocked but happy. So I buy Nyquil without all the extra stuff they put in it like Tylenol etc. Ambian works for me but I use it only in emergencies.
Wonder
(05-29-2019, 01:10 PM)Cantique Wrote: [ -> ](05-19-2019, 09:49 PM)Parapluie Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Parapluie. Thanks for your post, it is very helpful. Would you please let me know about doses of valerian? There seems to be a wide range (and cost). Many thanks.
Others have given better and more comprehensive replies, but since this is a recurrent issue for me, i thought i might suggest what works for me here, limited to my own experience.
Vistaril (atarax, hydroxyzine) is helpful for me; so is melatonin, so it valerian root. Alteril combines melatonin and valerian -and- l-trytophan that certainly works well. I have also had good results with 100mg Trazodone. All of these have worked well for me at different times but they all seem leave me foggyheaded the following day. (The only ones that haven't given me that morning fog have been z-drugs, which for whatever reason tend to make me anxious enough that they're counterproductive!). Everybody's different but I get the most out rotating these medications, and taking breaks. It tends to happen that after five-ish days on any one of them, it's easier to sleep. Taking breaks whenever possible helps my tolerance to them, and exercise is helpful to them all. And of course a combination of things is useful, too.
i haven't used bezos for sleep but i'd be interested to see how well halcion worked out.
lots of luck to you in this! i hope you'll find help sooner rather than later.
(05-30-2019, 10:43 PM)wonder Wrote: [ -> ](01-24-2018, 07:48 PM)TeknoFunk Wrote: [ -> ]Valarian Root in liquid form actually works well for me. Over the counter doxylamine succinate works well and tolerated better than typical antihistamines. All depends on your body chemistry and sleep habits. Honestly, the things you do before you go to bed greatly dictate how you will sleep. Phones away from bed, no computer for 30 min before all that I'm sure you have heard, but very effective. Calm room, no clutter, low light. Fan or sound machine and then of course meds at the end. If Zolpidem works for you, then the closest to that if you do not have that would be doxylamine succinate for over the counter. Benzo's seem to be too much for long term use.
I grew up in Africa where my parents were doctors and there was a war going on part of the time so I have a terrible time sleeping. I read that doxylamine succinate was as good in many studies as Seconal and was shocked but happy. So I buy Nyquil without all the extra stuff they put in it like Tylenol etc. Ambian works for me but I use it only in emergencies.
Wonder
(05-29-2019, 01:10 PM)Cantique Wrote: [ -> ](05-19-2019, 09:49 PM)Parapluie Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Parapluie. Thanks for your post, it is very helpful. Would you please let me know about doses of valerian? There seems to be a wide range (and cost). Many thanks.
Others have given better and more comprehensive replies, but since this is a recurrent issue for me, i thought i might suggest what works for me here, limited to my own experience.
Vistaril (atarax, hydroxyzine) is helpful for me; so is melatonin, so it valerian root. Alteril combines melatonin and valerian -and- l-trytophan that certainly works well. I have also had good results with 100mg Trazodone. All of these have worked well for me at different times but they all seem leave me foggyheaded the following day. (The only ones that haven't given me that morning fog have been z-drugs, which for whatever reason tend to make me anxious enough that they're counterproductive!). Everybody's different but I get the most out rotating these medications, and taking breaks. It tends to happen that after five-ish days on any one of them, it's easier to sleep. Taking breaks whenever possible helps my tolerance to them, and exercise is helpful to them all. And of course a combination of things is useful, too.
i haven't used bezos for sleep but i'd be interested to see how well halcion worked out.
lots of luck to you in this! i hope you'll find help sooner rather than later.
I also meant to mention Melatonin. It can really knock me out if I take above 5mgs. It is really helpful if you have been in a different time zone and are trying to get back on schedule.
Wonder
(11-23-2018, 04:39 AM)F.W.D Wrote: [ -> ](11-22-2018, 08:48 PM)Audrey Hepburn Wrote: [ -> ]Trazadone is also an antidepressant, so be sure you are ok with ADs before starting on one.
Yes, docs are big on scripting them right now because they don't want to get in trouble for scripting any z drugs. Everyone is different so make tweaks and see what works for you.
Also, check out the insomnia thread. Lots of good info.
You are absolutely right Ms Hepburn. ultimately we are all responsible for our own health. When a DR give me a prescription I have not had before and it says 1 pill twice
a day I do an allergy check, lik half a pill first day then two halves the second day. I've also learned that the honest you can be with your DR, the more willing and able
they are to help you. that's just my opinion
You are so right about not writing a script for a sleeping pill. I just got a bad diagnosis of Mycobacterium abcesses in my lungs. I have several autoimmune diseases and take Prednisone and so I am immunosupressed. This made me more likely to get this. Anyway, I see the new Pulmonologist in 11 days and trying to sleep had been impossible because I am researching this disease or thinking about it in the dark. I asked the doctor to write for 11 pills to get me to the Pulmonologist appointment. I told her that I was trying to turn my days and nights back around to normal. And she would not do it. I think at first she forgot that I had said "for 11 days", Then on the was out I reminded her that I was not asking for a permanent prescription just 11 days.
She suggested Trazadone. But it drys out my mouth and I have 9 implants already because I have something called Shogrens.
05-31-2019, 11:00 AM
I gotta add, even after years of Benz use (moderate), I still have trouble falling/staying asleep no matter when the last dose is/was.
I still have a hard time believing something as cheap and non-habit forming as 1 5mg melatonin and occasionally 3 caps of ZMA have worked so well. Every time.
I fall asleep within 10 minutes, deep sleep, rarely waking up until my internal alarm at 5am. Always very strange and vivid dreams though. But always well-rested.
I still have a hard time believing something as cheap and non-habit forming as 1 5mg melatonin and occasionally 3 caps of ZMA have worked so well. Every time.
I fall asleep within 10 minutes, deep sleep, rarely waking up until my internal alarm at 5am. Always very strange and vivid dreams though. But always well-rested.
06-05-2019, 09:56 AM
(05-31-2019, 11:00 AM)thepianist Wrote: [ -> ]I gotta add, even after years of Benz use (moderate), I still have trouble falling/staying asleep no matter when the last dose is/was.
I still have a hard time believing something as cheap and non-habit forming as 1 5mg melatonin and occasionally 3 caps of ZMA have worked so well. Every time.
I fall asleep within 10 minutes, deep sleep, rarely waking up until my internal alarm at 5am. Always very strange and vivid dreams though. But always well-rested.
Yes I remember when you recommended this to me when I was having a hard time. I have ZMA now and may try that again this week. I forget so fast that other things work well and ZMA worked wonders for myself as well after you told me about it. Something to thing about people as well, ZMA is an amazing substance.