04-27-2020, 11:32 AM
Question: Why would "the elite" want to be among the first to receive a new vaccine? Because at this point in time they'd be a human guinea pig.
In vaccine production you have to prove a) that it works and b) that it is safe. Early tests are done on animals because of the risks, and since showing it works can, depending on the design, involve intentionally infecting the experimental and control groups to the virus. That raises huge ethical problems with humans... maybe you can give them the vaccine and then infect them, but giving half a placebo and infecting them... yikes, I wouldn't want to steer that one past an ethics committee! That's an experiment that kills people. However, if you only test the people who are vaccinated then you have an incomplete experiment with no control group.
Anyway, those who get it first are the human volunteers who are paid for their time (a few thousand dollars - often students who need the money). Again, half get the vaccination and half get an injection of saline. Then they go out into the world and over several months it should become clear that those who were given the vaccine haven't developed the virus (or it wasn't so serious). This takes ages and there are no short cuts.
Does vaccinated have another meaning? Is it slang for security clearance? In the UK people have been urged to make sure their other vaccinations are up to date (getting a really bad seasonal flu in the midst of a pandemic would not be good timing), so does it refer to other vaccines? Or is it a joke, some gallows humour?
I just don't see how it is possible for there to be a vaccine that the elite would take - after all they want to know it is safe etc, not to be a subject in an experiment. No way can it have gone through all those checks even if the vaccine were developed in December 2019. Plus we have people on the internet sowing fake news, even deep fakes where people's voices and lip movements are altered to say something different - it's disinformation. I find that easier to believe than there being a working vaccination at this stage.
Just my two pennies worth...
In vaccine production you have to prove a) that it works and b) that it is safe. Early tests are done on animals because of the risks, and since showing it works can, depending on the design, involve intentionally infecting the experimental and control groups to the virus. That raises huge ethical problems with humans... maybe you can give them the vaccine and then infect them, but giving half a placebo and infecting them... yikes, I wouldn't want to steer that one past an ethics committee! That's an experiment that kills people. However, if you only test the people who are vaccinated then you have an incomplete experiment with no control group.
Anyway, those who get it first are the human volunteers who are paid for their time (a few thousand dollars - often students who need the money). Again, half get the vaccination and half get an injection of saline. Then they go out into the world and over several months it should become clear that those who were given the vaccine haven't developed the virus (or it wasn't so serious). This takes ages and there are no short cuts.
Does vaccinated have another meaning? Is it slang for security clearance? In the UK people have been urged to make sure their other vaccinations are up to date (getting a really bad seasonal flu in the midst of a pandemic would not be good timing), so does it refer to other vaccines? Or is it a joke, some gallows humour?
I just don't see how it is possible for there to be a vaccine that the elite would take - after all they want to know it is safe etc, not to be a subject in an experiment. No way can it have gone through all those checks even if the vaccine were developed in December 2019. Plus we have people on the internet sowing fake news, even deep fakes where people's voices and lip movements are altered to say something different - it's disinformation. I find that easier to believe than there being a working vaccination at this stage.
Just my two pennies worth...