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Didn't know where to post this and since it's kinda political, it landed here.
I've been tryin' to figure out somethin' that's puzzled me for awhile. They (gov. & Big Pharma) are tryin' to send folks addicted to crack, coke, meth and such, to get treatment for their addiction. So, how do they treat it? They put people on Methadone or Suboxon sp?, which are also narcotics and addictive. How in the hell does that help get a person off of drugs?
To me, the only difference is that those 2 drugs are gotten from Big Pharma, where many of the street drugs are made by people. Could it be that Big Pharma wants us all addicted, but only to their drugs. They don't want the competition and want to be makin' all the money by us buyin' their narcotics.
I can't see how you can get a person off of addictive drugs by puttin' them on a different one. They are still addicted, but now to a drug sold by Big Pharma. Sorry, but to me this is just evil and greedy. They don't really care if anyone is sick and in trouble, only care about gettin' more of that drug money. There's somethin' wrong with this in my mind.
Ok, I'm just thinkin' out loud. What do you think about this?
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Hi Cricket,
Well they always say if you want to know what is driving something to follow the money.
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(07-05-2017, 04:41 PM)skipper1 Wrote: It's all about the $$$$$$$$....They couldn't giva a rat's ass about getting you sober, they just want the cash...And if you take enough sub or methadone it can get you high, but when taken for a period of time you don't get high anymore you just feel normal....
I have heard that you can get high on the Methadone and Sub if you take enough. So, my thinkin' is that tryin' to put addicts on those 2 meds, BigPharma makes all the money and not the street dealers.
You're so right about the money. Greed is what runs this world and those with the most are never satisfied. They want it all and don't care who they hurt along the way. It's never about helpin' those that are sick, only about how much $ you can take from them. It's a VERY sick world we live in and nobody really cares about their fellow man. Just the money.
The other thing about this "war on PK's", is they are hurtin' mostly the people that have legit medical need and get it legally from their doctors. The addicts they say they want to punish will go on gettin' it as always. It's the law abiding folks that are payin' the price. It's cruel and very unfair, but they don't care. They want people off of street drugs and many of the PK's that have gone generic and pretty cheap so they can sell them the new, expensive meds that they can profit most on. Is it any wonder why we are forced to go elsewhere for our meds? If they'd treat us right, none of us would have to go breakin' the laws to find help. It's expensive and risky, but what else can we do?
All I can say is, this world is doomed when a piece of paper with a little green ink on it is worth more than a human being.
When that day comes and God is judgin' us, all of these crooks will burn in hell for what they do. Let them all suffer for what they have done to us.
Ok, my vent is over for now. This is just a very sore subject with me. I'm tired of us havin' to suffer greatly just because they want more pieces of USELESS paper in their pockets. It's time for them to do the sufferin'. 
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IMO, addiction is just an unfortunate result when taking these meds.
If one is in pain & suffering tremendously, then relieving the pain is
top priority addiction or not unless the patient is very young in which
they might face a lifetime of addiction.
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Hello Cricket it is always nice to read your posts. I agree an addiction is not cured by onother addiction. It is the money Brother and the power, they want to control lives and make cash from this story. Money drives everything if your health problem is not for profit they do not care. Most PK went into market to fight addiction to old ones. But each one was more addictive. Take Sub for instance. It is a hell of a wds to get rid of suboxone. And they make huge profits from Oxy and Hydro epidemic. I work in Europe in the health sector and I also know that from inside pharmas a number of pills goes to the streets and black market. But that is enough for now in a public thread .
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(07-06-2017, 08:26 PM)nickolyko Wrote: Hello Cricket it is always nice to read your posts. I agree an addiction is not cured by onother addiction. It is the money Brother and the power, they want to control lives and make cash from this story. Money drives everything if your health problem is not for profit they do not care. Most PK went into market to fight addiction to old ones. But each one was more addictive. Take Sub for instance. It is a hell of a wds to get rid of suboxone. And they make huge profits from Oxy and Hydro epidemic. I work in Europe in the health sector and I also know that from inside pharmas a number of pills goes to the streets and black market. But that is enough for now in a public thread .
What gets me about the "war on drugs" is, who started most of the problems in the 1st place? Our own stupid government.
Think back during the Iran contra mess. The CIA (criminals in action) was tradin' weapons for cocaine and H. Where did all of those drugs go and why did they bring it here? Well, after Bill Clinton met the planes to get his share, the drugs were sent to the streets. THEY are the ones to blame for most of the problems goin' on today. Our own government is the biggest dealer on the planet.
It's all part of their plan to get everyone hooked on something and then control us. Then they turn it around to make us look like we're just horrible people, when they started most of this mess by design.
I say forget Russia, N Korea.... Our worst enemy is our own government.
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as asked governments do this not to cure,its basically to reduce crime,by giving people fix that they wouldnt result into crime and other means to obtain cash.
Its def not a fix in any way,even them centrers that charge leg and arm and promise cures usually are just fancy resorts where they will keep one clean for duration.
think only help for such people is getting someone who actually still cares about them,and are willing to suffer trough worst,but it requires a lot of dedication from both parties to get over it,no matter what drug it is.
as far as big pharma conspiracies its no secret they are no1 industry where there is never shortage of cash,as someone said once if you want to have security for life go into pharma degree,and i believe its true.
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If I didn't go on methadone 20 odd years ago I would probably be dead by now,they switched me to subs after a few years.was on a maintana=ce style programme.
Not used since 1998,I was using the subs as a painkiller in the end,the amount I was cut down to wouldn't get me high but it helped a great deal with pain.
Then the nhs out sources to a private company,I get told I shouldn't be on it cos was not a user any longer,nag nag nag so I get cut down to nothing,that was over 2 years ago,still trying to deal with pain,its made life a lot harder not having those subs,have had more health problems in last 2 years than last 40,coincidence?
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(07-09-2017, 01:30 PM)TommyGun Wrote: If I didn't go on methadone 20 odd years ago I would probably be dead by now,they switched me to subs after a few years.was on a maintana=ce style programme.
Not used since 1998,I was using the subs as a painkiller in the end,the amount I was cut down to wouldn't get me high but it helped a great deal with pain.
Then the nhs out sources to a private company,I get told I shouldn't be on it cos was not a user any longer,nag nag nag so I get cut down to nothing,that was over 2 years ago,still trying to deal with pain,its made life a lot harder not having those subs,have had more health problems in last 2 years than last 40,coincidence?
Hi TG
Sorry that happened to you. To cut you off from ANY pain relief is a flat out crime. Animals are given better pain care than we are. It's not right that they leave people to suffer like this and things have to change. All they are doin' by cuttin' people off is chasin' them into the streets to find relief. They are makin' law abidin' folks into criminals, but what do they expect us to do? I know these STUPID lawmakers are taken care of if they're in pain. They are humans (I think) just like us and have no right to decide to let others suffer. They were "elected" to help us, not play God.
I have the feelin' they are tryin' to do away with any drug that actually helps us feel better. BUT, until we all stand up and fight this, they will get their way. Not just with this problem, but with everything they do to all citizens. Things in America have changed soooooo much over the yrs. that it's no longer the America it was or was meant to be. What happened to our freedom, our privacy?
I fear for all of us in the future. Thank God we still have a few ways to help ourselves, but how long before it's all gone?
Good luck to you TG. I hope things get better for you and you get the pain relief you deserve.
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According to the US constitution the people have the right to remove the government by force if necessary,imagine if that happened?
People would be crushed,sent to detention camps,whats the point in that constitution any more?
As for the English,we are a cowardly servile lot,happy to let our masters stamp all over us and pay em to do it.
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